IRC log of aapi on 2017-03-28

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Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 28 March 2017

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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer

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agenda: this

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agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.

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agenda+ (Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup

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agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.

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agenda+ (All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1

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agenda+ (Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current

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agenda+ Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

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agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA

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agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26

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agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA

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agenda+ be done.

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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs

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present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer

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scribe: joanie

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Zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]

19:12:00 [joanie]

JS: We have a request to Bogdan to update the UIA mappings to add some more detail.

19:12:11 [joanie]

JS: There has been some back and forth via email.

19:12:48 [joanie]

JS: Bogdan recently let us know that he will be a bit delayed with the proposed change due to a "(good) family change."

19:13:16 [joanie]

JS: I was working on a test case today and it would have been quite helpful to have had more detail for UIA.

19:13:20 [joanie]

Zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "(Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup" taken up [from clown]

19:13:48 [joanie]

JS: Joanie had done a pull request to remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR.

19:13:54 [joanie]

JS: We discussed it last week.

19:14:08 [joanie]

JS: Today when I went to merge it, I had conflicts.

19:14:26 [joanie]

JS: I resolved it.

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https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537

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JS: URL above.

19:14:56 [joanie]

JS: It ends with a comment to Joanie to close it.

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https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7ab9810353df4d24c0a17ad39c2e55871f253775#diff-050019a87fcff05c45d14598767c5e28

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https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue

19:18:14 [joanie]

JD: Looks good to me.

19:18:25 [joanie]

JD: I'll close it.

19:18:35 [joanie]

JS: You can close the branch too, or I can.

19:18:40 [joanie]

JD: Please do. Thanks!

19:18:44 [joanie]

JS: Done

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]

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JS: It's the weekly checkin.

19:21:51 [joanie]

JD: I have been focued on all things harness. So no new updates on this particular item. Sorry!

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 4. "(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1" taken up [from clown]

19:22:25 [joanie]

JS: Jess sent me an email.

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s/JS/RS/

19:22:50 [joanie]

RS: They only have funding until the end of April.

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JS: And I don't think we'll be to CR by then.

19:24:26 [joanie]

JS: I should be able to do what's currently known.

19:24:48 [joanie]

RS: I don't think there will be much more.

19:25:36 [joanie]

JD: Hopefully not, but don't speak too soon. I'm finding bugs in the Core AAM as a consequence of the ATTA work.

19:25:47 [joanie]

JD: aria-current is the latest example

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JS: So I need to see how many hours I have left that I can spend on ARIA.

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JS: And will get as much done as we can.

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current" taken up [from clown]

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Zakim, previous item

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I don't understand 'previous item', joanie

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Zakim, take up item 4

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agendum 4. "(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1" taken up [from clown]

19:28:52 [joanie]

RS: We need to figure out what we're going to do.

19:29:08 [joanie]

RS: ARIA shouldn't need any editing now that we're in CR.

19:30:39 [joanie]

JS: There's Core AAM and AccName.

19:31:12 [joanie]

JD: Since I'm way more comfortable with Core AAM than AccName, if Joseph has to focus on one, I'd prefer he focus on AccName.

19:31:28 [joanie]

RS: By the way, did you hear from Dominic?

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/0054.html

19:31:45 [joanie]

JD: I didn't get a reply back.

19:32:11 [joanie]

JS: URL to the message Joanie sent above.

19:32:24 [joanie]

JS: And neither Dominic nor Alex have replied.

19:33:57 [joanie]

JD: I will follow up with them if I don't hear back in a couple of days.

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Zakim, take up item 5

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agendum 5. "(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current" taken up [from clown]

19:35:22 [joanie]

JS: Joanie did another pull request a little while ago about aria-current.

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https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/543

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JS: Link above.

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JS: Joanie caught this as part of her ATTA work.

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JS: This was just an hour ago.

19:40:10 [joanie]

JS: But it looks like the attribute just needs to change from "active" to "current".

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JS: I will do this by the end of the week.

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Zakim: next item

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 6. "Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]

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action-1681

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action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2017-03-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681

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https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_general

19:43:05 [joanie]

JS: Regarding action-1681, I raised it quite some time ago because I thought the inclusion/exclusion rules were vague.

19:43:35 [joanie]

JS: Cynthia took a look and said overall things were fine, but that there were a few things which could be improved.

19:43:49 [joanie]

JS: Rich subsequently wrote a couple of paragraphs for the ARIA spec.

19:44:03 [joanie]

JS: I have since written some text for Core AAM (see link above).

19:45:08 [joanie]

JS: It's the third paragraph (beginning with 'The terms "exposing", "mapping", and "including"')

19:45:29 [joanie]

RS: Does this cover aria-owns?

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Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-controls, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-describedby, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-flowto, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby or https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-owns) and are not https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#dfn-hidden.

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Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (aria-controls, aria-describedby, aria-flowto, aria-labelledby or aria-owns) and are not hidden.

19:46:07 [joanie]

JS: There's a section on inclusion which has the text I pasted above.

19:46:34 [joanie]

RS: Did you include aria-details?

19:46:42 [joanie]

JS: That's a good observation.

19:46:49 [joanie]

RS: Also aria-errormessage.

19:46:51 [joanie]

JS: Ok.

19:47:13 [joanie]

JS: Every time we add a new property, we're going to have to update this list.

19:47:18 [joanie]

JS: Oh well.

19:47:22 [joanie]

RS: Yup.

19:49:27 [joanie]

RS: I don't fully agree with item 4.

19:49:35 [joanie]

JS: Read the next item.

19:49:44 [joanie]

RS: Should we list those?

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JS: It comes up later on.

19:50:18 [joanie]

JS: This is supposed to be a high-level section. The details come up in subsequent sections, like 5.1.1.

19:50:48 [joanie]

RS: Under item 4, I would say, "in instances where ..."

19:51:31 [joanie]

RS: I would change item 5's second bullet.

19:52:03 [joanie]

RS: You might want to again say, "in instances where the host language allows for CSS display:none, they cannot be made focusable."

19:52:26 [joanie]

RS: Right now it's kind of wishy-washy....

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JS: I'll think about it.

19:53:02 [joanie]

RS: In host languages where display:none is allowed on elements, those elements cannot be made focusable.

19:53:08 [joanie]

JS: OK.

19:53:25 [joanie]

JS: I've also added a link to your (Rich's) section.

19:53:49 [joanie]

JS: So I send readers somewhere else to get the details.

19:53:53 [joanie]

RS: I think this is fine.

19:54:18 [joanie]

JS: Under 5.1.2, the second bullet has a new sentence.

19:54:40 [joanie]

JS: "Accessibility API events are documented in the Events section."

19:54:54 [joanie]

JS: With Rich's suggested modifications being made, can we close this?

19:55:01 [joanie]

RS: Yes, and I don't need to review it.

19:55:20 [joanie]

JS: What markup language doesn't allow display:none?

19:55:36 [joanie]

RS: You mentioned HTML, so....

19:56:07 [joanie]

JS: Thank you for your suggestions.

19:56:34 [joanie]

JS: Once I get those done, it will take care of both an issue and an action.

19:56:38 [joanie]

Group: Yay!

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action-2057

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action-2057 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Suggest that axapi mapping of role="form" should be a landmark in the AXSubRole. -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2057

19:57:15 [joanie]

JS: There's an action on Joanie (above).

19:57:23 [joanie]

JS: It was due May of last year.

19:58:13 [clown]

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form

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JD: Still on my list. Sorry!

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action-2130

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action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130

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JD: We can answer this one after we finish the ATTA and harness work.

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action-2131

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action-2131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review HTML-AAM -- due 2017-01-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2131

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https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/81

20:01:04 [joanie]

RS: I've done a little bit of the review, but I'm not yet done.

20:01:16 [joanie]

JS: You filed github issue 81.

20:01:28 [joanie]

RS: Steve made some changes and closed the issue.

20:01:44 [joanie]

RS: We actually discussed it on the ARIA call a while back.

20:01:49 [joanie]

JS: Can we close your issue?

20:02:06 [joanie]

RS: No. I'm still working on it. Issue 81 was just one part of it.

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