IRC log of forms on 2017-03-22
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 March 2017
- 12:46:03 [Steven]
- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0014
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- Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0014
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- Chair: Steven
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- Regrets: Philip
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- Topic: Summertime
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- [Reminder: next week back to regular time in Europe]
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- Topic: Dynamic dependencies
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0012.html
- 13:06:39 [Steven]
- Erik: I don't know if it helps. It might help to have an example of where a rebuild is necessry
- 13:07:46 [Steven]
- https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Dependencies
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- Steven: We could either include an actual example, or just warn of the situations where it might arise.
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- \Erik: It was too long before, now it is too short.
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- s/\Erik/Erik/
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- Erik: I could add an example.
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- Steven: That would be great
- 13:11:32 [Steven]
- ACTION: Erik to supply an example for why a <rebuild/> would be needed
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- Created ACTION-2113 - Supply an example for why a <rebuild/> would be needed [on Erik Bruchez - due 2017-03-29].
- 13:11:54 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION-2049 - Look into making soap non-normative, and use as a
- 13:11:54 [Steven]
- usage example with <header> instead
- 13:11:54 [Steven]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0002.html
- 13:12:15 [Steven]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0016.html
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- Steven: I studied this section
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- ... I can find no part that can't be done with vanilla XForms
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- Erik: The current definition adds the SOAPAction header
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- Steven: Do you do that?
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- Erik: Yes.
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- Steven: The point is that you can do this very simply with standard XForms; the header element is there for it.
- 13:15:42 [Steven]
- ... the only win in making it a normative part is that you don't have to add the one header.
- 13:16:07 [Steven]
- Erik: It ensures little things, like the charset parameter
- 13:16:37 [Steven]
- ... it's not doing nothing.
- 13:17:08 [Steven]
- ... We could deprecate it. But we lose backwards compatibility.
- 13:17:29 [Steven]
- ... I don't feel strongly about it.
- 13:17:39 [Steven]
- ... You can still achieve the same effect.
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- Alain: It's implemented in XSLTForms.
- 13:18:33 [Steven]
- Steven: So youu're suggesting leaving as is?
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- Erik: We could deprecate it.
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- s/uu/u/
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- Erik: I'm not sure how used it is.
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- Steven: Funnily enough, I'm writing a SOAP app in XForms now: most wireless routers contain a SOAP server.
- 13:22:08 [Steven]
- PROPSAL: Deprecate, and point out that it will still be possible with existing facilities of XForms.
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- Erik: OK
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- Alain: OK
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- ACTION: Steven to deprecate SOAP processing in the processor
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- Created ACTION-2114 - Deprecate soap processing in the processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-03-29].
- 13:22:55 [Steven]
- Topic: Serialization as multipart/related
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0022.html
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- Steven: Do we have anything to say on this yet?
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- [Silence]
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- Erik: I know you don't like the magic in this
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- Steven: I don't like that you don't have any control.
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- Erik: A <part/> element could be the solution
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- ... it made sense originally to tie it to <upload/>
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- ... but that is clearly limited
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- ... you don't know how the submission knows about the things.
- 13:26:17 [Steven]
- ... Clearly the full mechanism gives you control.
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- s/gives/would give/
- 13:26:41 [Steven]
- ... but I don't know if we can fix the current system.
- 13:27:09 [Steven]
- ... it relies on 'secret' information that some parts have been populated from a certain control.
- 13:28:04 [Steven]
- ... and that may change dynamically during the workings of the form
- 13:29:07 [Steven]
- ... the implementor has to keep some information around, like a MIP
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- ... we have custom MIPs in our implementation
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- Steven: OK, let's think about it more...
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- Topic: AOB
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- [None]
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- RESOLVED: Deprecate SOAP as a built-in
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