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12:45:34 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:45:34 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2017
12:46:03 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0014
12:46:12 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0014
12:46:18 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:46:21 <Steven> Regrets: Philip
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13:04:18 <Steven> Topic: Summertime
13:04:18 <Steven> [Reminder: next week back to regular time in Europe]
13:04:52 <Steven> Topic: Dynamic dependencies
13:04:52 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0012.html
13:06:39 <Steven> Erik: I don't know if it helps. It might help to have an example of where a rebuild is necessry
13:07:46 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Dependencies
13:08:30 <Steven> Steven: We could either include an actual example, or just warn of the situations where it might arise.
13:08:42 <Steven> \Erik: It was too long before, now it is too short.
13:08:51 <Steven> s/\Erik/Erik/
13:09:16 <Steven> Erik: I could add an example.
13:11:05 <Steven> Steven: That would be great
13:11:32 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to supply an example for why a <rebuild/> would be needed
13:11:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2113 - Supply an example for why a <rebuild/> would be needed [on Erik Bruchez - due 2017-03-29].
13:11:54 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2049 - Look into making soap non-normative, and use as a
13:11:54 <Steven> usage example with <header> instead
13:11:54 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0002.html
13:12:15 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0016.html
13:12:40 <Steven> Steven: I studied this section
13:13:03 <Steven> ... I can find no part that can't be done with vanilla XForms
13:13:36 <Steven> Erik: The current definition adds the SOAPAction header
13:13:43 <Steven> Steven: Do you do that?
13:13:46 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:14:51 <Steven> Steven: The point is that you can do this very simply with standard XForms; the header element is there for it.
13:15:42 <Steven> ... the only win in making it a normative part is that you don't have to add the one header.
13:16:07 <Steven> Erik: It ensures little things, like the charset parameter
13:16:37 <Steven> ... it's not doing nothing.
13:17:08 <Steven> ... We could deprecate it. But we lose backwards compatibility.
13:17:29 <Steven> ... I don't feel strongly about it.
13:17:39 <Steven> ... You can still achieve the same effect.
13:18:19 <Steven> Alain: It's implemented in XSLTForms.
13:18:33 <Steven> Steven: So youu're suggesting leaving as is?
13:18:43 <Steven> Erik: We could deprecate it.
13:18:50 <Steven> s/uu/u/
13:19:48 <Steven> Erik: I'm not sure how used it is.
13:20:13 <Steven> Steven: Funnily enough, I'm writing a SOAP app in XForms now: most wireless routers contain a SOAP server.
13:22:08 <Steven> PROPSAL: Deprecate, and point out that it will still be possible with existing facilities of XForms.
13:22:11 <Steven> Erik: OK
13:22:13 <Steven> Alain: OK
13:22:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to deprecate SOAP processing in the processor
13:22:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2114 - Deprecate soap processing in the processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-03-29].
13:22:55 <Steven> Topic: Serialization as multipart/related
13:22:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0022.html
13:23:12 <Steven> Steven: Do we have anything to say on this yet?
13:23:27 <Steven> [Silence]
13:24:22 <Steven> Erik: I know you don't like the magic in this
13:24:37 <Steven> Steven: I don't like that you don't have any control.
13:24:59 <Steven> Erik: A <part/> element could be the solution
13:25:38 <Steven> ... it made sense originally to tie it to <upload/>
13:25:45 <Steven> ... but that is clearly limited
13:25:59 <Steven> ... you don't know how the submission knows about the things.
13:26:17 <Steven> ... Clearly the full mechanism gives you control.
13:26:26 <Steven> s/gives/would give/
13:26:41 <Steven> ... but I don't know if we can fix the current system.
13:27:09 <Steven> ... it relies on 'secret' information that some parts have been populated from a certain control.
13:28:04 <Steven> ... and that may change dynamically during the workings of the form
13:29:07 <Steven> ... the implementor has to keep some information around, like a MIP
13:29:21 <Steven> ... we have custom MIPs in our implementation
13:30:33 <Steven> Steven: OK, let's think about it more...
13:30:53 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:31:01 <Steven> [None]
13:31:15 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
13:31:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:32:31 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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13:33:23 <Steven> RESOLVED: Deprecate SOAP as a built-in
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