IRC log of aria-apg on 2017-03-13
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- 16:52:06 [jamesn]
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- Meeting: ARIA APG TF
- 16:54:59 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 189: Updates needed for button example page
- 16:55:04 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 264: Review long description disclosure example
- 16:55:09 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 279: Review updates to Example Page for Tabs With Manual Activation
- 16:55:32 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ CSS Changes for Tables in Example documents
- 16:55:38 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Current milestone review
- 16:59:06 [annabbott]
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- agenda?
- 17:02:04 [jemma]
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- present+ AnnAbbott
- 17:03:15 [jamesn]
- present+ JamesNurthen
- 17:03:25 [sirib]
- present+ ShirishaBalusani
- 17:03:36 [jemma]
- present+ JaEunJemmaKu
- 17:05:06 [mck]
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- present+ matt_king
- 17:05:59 [annabbott]
- scribe: AnnAbbott
- 17:07:22 [annabbott]
- AA: completed review of all assigned to me
- 17:07:28 [jamesn]
- - Is a note discouraging use of role button in favor of html buttons warranted?
- 17:07:28 [jamesn]
- - If yes, wording? See mcking65 comment on Dec 11 that includes language he remove.
- 17:07:28 [jamesn]
- - Example page: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/button/button.html
- 17:07:28 [jamesn]
- - Issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/189
- 17:08:02 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "Issue 189: Updates needed for button example page" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:10:46 [jongund]
- present+ jongund
- 17:11:03 [annabbott]
- Matt:; browser supplies default kbd actions on native button
- 17:14:10 [annabbott]
- JN: requires extra work to style link as button
- 17:14:28 [annabbott]
- MK: extra work is already in button design pattern
- 17:14:40 [annabbott]
- MK: wants to document decision
- 17:14:45 [jamesn]
- +1 to leave as it is
- 17:15:09 [annabbott]
- MK: will add decision to issue after call
- 17:15:42 [annabbott]
- zakim, next item
- 17:15:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Issue 264: Review long description disclosure example" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:16:09 [annabbott]
- MK: two related questions
- 17:16:29 [mck]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-img-long-description.html
- 17:17:03 [jamesn]
- - Issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/264
- 17:17:22 [annabbott]
- MK: concern is how screen readers announce
- 17:18:18 [annabbott]
- MK: Caption is same as label for image announces twice as screen readers
- 17:20:25 [annabbott]
- JN: example has bug - image has label of longdesc
- 17:21:43 [annabbott]
- MK: caption should not be duplicate of image label
- 17:25:19 [jamesn]
- Figurative Map of the successive losses in men of the French Army in the Russian campaign 1812-1813.
- 17:25:19 [jamesn]
- Drawn by Mr. Minard, Inspector General of Bridges and Roads in retirement. Paris, 20 November 1869.
- 17:25:19 [jamesn]
- The numbers of men present are represented by the widths of the colored zones in a rate of one millimeter for ten thousand men; these are also written beside the zones. Red designates men moving into Russia, black those on retreat. — The informations used for drawing the map were taken from the works of Messrs. Thiers, de Ségur, de Fezensac, de Chambray and the unpublished diary of Jacob, pharmacist of the Army since 28 October.
- 17:25:20 [jamesn]
- In order to facilitate the judgement of the eye regarding the diminution of the army, I supposed that the troops under Prince Jèrôme and under Marshal Davoust, who were sent to Minsk and Mobilow and who rejoined near Orscha and Witebsk, had always marched with the army.
- 17:25:40 [annabbott]
- MK: will prepare an alt for the image that is not a repeat of caption.
- 17:27:42 [annabbott]
- JN: text translated from French = caption. current caption text = alt text
- 17:31:41 [annabbott]
- zakim, next item
- 17:31:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Issue 279: Review updates to Example Page for Tabs With Manual Activation" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:32:12 [annabbott]
- - Example: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs-2/tabs.html
- 17:32:14 [annabbott]
- - Issue: ht
- 17:32:15 [annabbott]
- tps://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/279
- 17:32:26 [mck]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs-2/tabs.html
- 17:34:47 [sirib]
- Tab: When focus moves into the tab list, places focus on the active tab element . When the tab list contains the focus, moves focus to the next element in the page tab sequence outside the tablist, which is typically either the first focusable element inside the tab panel or the tab panel itself.
- 17:34:52 [jemma]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#tabpanel
- 17:38:08 [jamesn]
- q+
- 17:40:41 [annabbott]
- MK: should have example that demonstrates need for tabpanel to receive focus.
- 17:41:29 [annabbott]
- MK: add to Accessibility Features section
- 17:42:18 [annabbott]
- JN: suggest this goes to next publish round
- 17:42:32 [annabbott]
- MK: will add issue after call
- 17:43:10 [annabbott]
- zakim, next item
- 17:43:10 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, annabbott
- 17:43:11 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 17:43:12 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jamesn
- 17:43:16 [jamesn]
- ack me
- 17:43:17 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "CSS Changes for Tables in Example documents" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:43:49 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/greenbar-nolines/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
- 17:43:49 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/greenbar-solidline/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
- 17:43:49 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-1linelight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
- 17:43:49 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-fulllineslight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
- 17:44:03 [annabbott]
- JN" four quick mockups on states/properties
- 17:44:33 [annabbott]
- JN: no comment till you've looked at all 4 :)
- 17:45:14 [annabbott]
- JN: removed vertical bar and added green background
- 17:45:24 [annabbott]
- JN: in first
- 17:45:39 [annabbott]
- JN: 2nd retains vertical bar with green
- 17:46:02 [annabbott]
- 3rd has thinner vertical bar
- 17:46:16 [jemma]
- I voted for the last one
- 17:46:19 [annabbott]
- 4th has all grid lines surrounding cells
- 17:46:43 [sirib]
- I like last one too
- 17:51:59 [annabbott]
- Group agrees on https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-fulllineslight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
- 17:52:40 [annabbott]
- zakim, next item
- 17:52:40 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Current milestone review" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:52:59 [jemma]
- thanks for all the mockups, Jamesn
- 17:54:18 [annabbott]
- rssagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/13-aria-apg-minutes.html annabbott
- 18:06:25 [jamesn]
- http://w3.org/People/yatil/