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16:52:18 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
16:54:59 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 189: Updates needed for button example page
16:55:04 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 264: Review long description disclosure example
16:55:09 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 279: Review updates to Example Page for Tabs With Manual Activation
16:55:32 <jamesn> Agenda+ CSS Changes for Tables in Example documents
16:55:38 <jamesn> Agenda+ Current milestone review
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17:01:54 <jamesn> agenda?
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17:02:24 <annabbott> present+ AnnAbbott
17:03:15 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
17:03:25 <sirib> present+ ShirishaBalusani
17:03:36 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
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17:05:56 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:05:59 <annabbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
17:07:22 <annabbott> AA: completed review of all assigned to me
17:07:28 <jamesn> - Is a note discouraging use of role button in favor of html buttons warranted?
17:07:28 <jamesn> - If yes, wording? See mcking65 comment on Dec 11 that includes language he remove.
17:07:28 <jamesn> - Example page: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/button/button.html
17:07:28 <jamesn> - Issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/189
17:08:02 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:08:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue 189: Updates needed for button example page" taken up [from jamesn]
17:10:46 <jongund> present+ jongund
17:11:03 <annabbott> Matt:; browser supplies default kbd actions on native button
17:14:10 <annabbott> JN: requires extra work to style link as button
17:14:28 <annabbott> MK: extra work is already in button design pattern
17:14:40 <annabbott> MK: wants to document decision
17:14:45 <jamesn> +1 to leave as it is
17:15:09 <annabbott> MK: will add decision to issue after call
17:15:42 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:15:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue 264: Review long description disclosure example" taken up [from jamesn]
17:16:09 <annabbott> MK: two related questions
17:16:29 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-img-long-description.html
17:17:03 <jamesn> - Issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/264
17:17:22 <annabbott> MK: concern is how screen readers announce
17:18:18 <annabbott> MK: Caption is same as label for image announces twice as screen readers
17:20:25 <annabbott> JN: example has bug - image has label of longdesc
17:21:43 <annabbott> MK: caption should not be duplicate of image label
17:25:19 <jamesn> Figurative Map of the successive losses in men of the French Army in the Russian campaign 1812-1813.
17:25:19 <jamesn> Drawn by Mr. Minard, Inspector General of Bridges and Roads in retirement. Paris, 20 November 1869.
17:25:19 <jamesn> The numbers of men present are represented by the widths of the colored zones in a rate of one millimeter for ten thousand men; these are also written beside the zones. Red designates men moving into Russia, black those on retreat. — The informations used for drawing the map were taken from the works of Messrs. Thiers, de Ségur, de Fezensac, de Chambray and the unpublished diary of Jacob, pharmacist of the Army since 28 October.
17:25:20 <jamesn> In order to facilitate the judgement of the eye regarding the diminution of the army, I supposed that the troops under Prince Jèrôme and under Marshal Davoust, who were sent to Minsk and Mobilow and who rejoined near Orscha and Witebsk, had always marched with the army.
17:25:40 <annabbott> MK: will prepare an alt for the image that is not a repeat of caption.
17:27:42 <annabbott> JN: text translated from French = caption. current caption text = alt text
17:31:41 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:31:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue 279: Review updates to Example Page for Tabs With Manual Activation" taken up [from jamesn]
17:32:12 <annabbott> - Example: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs-2/tabs.html
17:32:14 <annabbott> - Issue: ht
17:32:15 <annabbott> tps://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/279
17:32:26 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs-2/tabs.html
17:34:47 <sirib> Tab: When focus moves into the tab list, places focus on the active tab element . When the tab list contains the focus, moves focus to the next element in the page tab sequence outside the tablist, which is typically either the first focusable element inside the tab panel or the tab panel itself.
17:34:52 <jemma> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#tabpanel
17:38:08 <jamesn> q+
17:40:41 <annabbott> MK: should have example that demonstrates need for tabpanel to receive focus.
17:41:29 <annabbott> MK: add to Accessibility Features section
17:42:18 <annabbott> JN: suggest this goes to next publish round
17:42:32 <annabbott> MK: will add issue after call
17:43:10 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:43:10 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, annabbott
17:43:11 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:43:12 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jamesn
17:43:16 <jamesn> ack me
17:43:17 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:43:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CSS Changes for Tables in Example documents" taken up [from jamesn]
17:43:49 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/greenbar-nolines/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
17:43:49 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/greenbar-solidline/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
17:43:49 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-1linelight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
17:43:49 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-fulllineslight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
17:44:03 <annabbott> JN" four quick mockups on states/properties
17:44:33 <annabbott> JN: no comment till you've looked at all 4     :)
17:45:14 <annabbott> JN: removed vertical bar and added green background
17:45:24 <annabbott> JN: in first
17:45:39 <annabbott> JN: 2nd retains vertical bar with green
17:46:02 <annabbott> 3rd has thinner vertical bar
17:46:16 <jemma> I voted for the last one
17:46:19 <annabbott> 4th has all grid lines surrounding cells
17:46:43 <sirib> I like last one too
17:51:59 <annabbott> Group agrees on https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/tablestyle-fulllineslight/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html
17:52:40 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:52:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Current milestone review" taken up [from jamesn]
17:52:59 <jemma> thanks for all the mockups, Jamesn
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