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14:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:57:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:57:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:57:55 <trackbot> Date: 09 March 2017
15:04:00 <allanj> Chair: Jim
15:28:24 <allanj> regrets: Glenda
15:29:48 <allanj> Agenda+ "support" vs "a mechanism exists" or other wording
15:29:50 <allanj> Agenda+ noto Sans font http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/wai-website-design/blob/master/font-check.html
15:29:51 <allanj> Agenda+ Alexa/COGA - JohnR
15:29:53 <allanj> Agenda+ User interface contrast - on hover or focus, is it covered?
15:29:54 <allanj> Agenda+ create LV tools page?
15:30:07 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
15:30:07 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:31:02 <allanj> Agenda+ "support" vs "a mechanism exists" or other wording
15:31:03 <allanj> Agenda+ noto Sans font http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/wai-website-design/blob/master/font-check.html
15:31:05 <allanj> Agenda+ Alexa/COGA - JohnR
15:31:07 <allanj> Agenda+ User interface contrast - on hover or focus, is it covered?
15:31:08 <allanj> Agenda+ create LV tools page?
15:35:20 <allanj> agenda+ graphics contrast images
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15:55:21 <allanj> it is item 2
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16:03:05 <laura> Scribe: Laura
16:03:31 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:03:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "noto Sans font http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/wai-website-design/blob/master/font-check.html" taken up [from allanj]
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16:04:02 <laura> Jim: first public working draft is up.
16:04:08 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
16:04:24 <laura> …SC managers should expect lots of comments.
16:04:33 <laura> present+ Laura
16:05:48 <shawn> present+
16:05:53 <allanj> present+ Jim, Marla, Wayne, Scott
16:05:54 <laura> Shawn: wanted make sure people saw the email.
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16:06:52 <laura> …low vision is at the top of  criteria for new font for W3C site.
16:07:23 <laura> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Mar/0004.html
16:07:39 <allanj> a related article - https://typography.guru/journal/letters-symbols-misrecognition/
16:07:49 <laura> plus ones form everyone.
16:07:55 <ScottM> Greatings from northern virginia aka dc
16:08:50 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Alexa/COGA - JohnR" taken up [from allanj]
16:09:32 <laura> john: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Mar/0002.html
16:10:00 <laura> john: thinking about interface for the bot.
16:10:49 <laura> …voice interface is a great interface for people with low vision.
16:11:19 <laura> …Alexa came up on the COGA call
16:11:35 <laura> …thought this group may be interested.
16:12:06 <laura> jim: is this just a voice interface?
16:12:21 <laura> JR: yes and no.
16:12:39 <laura> …interface must be usable by us.
16:13:06 <laura> scott: some variables in Alexa
16:13:43 <laura> …no sound feedback sometimes.
16:14:08 <laura> …different configurations.
16:14:18 <allanj> present+ Stephen
16:14:42 <laura> …don't think there will be anything specific to us.
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16:15:36 <laura> jim: john let us know if we can help you.
16:15:48 <steverep> present+steverep
16:16:09 <laura> wayne: does it help you navigate a page?
16:16:15 <laura> JR: no.
16:16:47 <laura> JR: will let the group know how it goes.
16:16:52 <allanj> agenda?
16:17:04 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:17:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User interface contrast - on hover or focus, is it covered?" taken up [from allanj]
16:17:27 <allanj>    * the background color of the button changes so now the text on the button doesn't have sufficient contrast to be read any more
16:17:28 <allanj>    *  A symbol or image is on the button where mouse hover causes colors to change and once again there's not sufficient contrast to tell what the symbol is.
16:17:39 <laura> jim: comment from someone at IBM
16:18:38 <laura> …question on if this is covered by issue 10?
16:19:07 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Contrast_(Minimum)
16:19:14 <laura> marla: think it covers all states.
16:20:31 <laura> wayne: that was my impression too.
16:20:53 <laura> Jim: will talk to glenda about it.
16:22:01 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:22:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "create LV tools page?" taken up [from allanj]
16:22:38 <laura> jim: we had a discussion on tools. may want to create a wiki page.
16:24:17 <laura> laura: sini created a page like that quite a while ago.
16:25:05 <laura> wayne: the should cover both tools and techniques.
16:25:38 <laura> Accessibility features for users with Low Vision: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Accessibility_features_for_users_with_Low_Vision
16:27:17 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:27:17 <Zakim> agendum 6. "graphics contrast images" taken up [from allanj]
16:27:52 <laura> marla: collected a lot of images
16:30:14 <laura> …light gray close buttons. Back to top arrow.  Gray pencil for editing. Do they apply?
16:30:20 <laura> Jim: yes
16:30:45 <laura> marla: social media icons is another example.
16:31:32 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:31:37 <allanj> the graying/dimming of the web
16:31:38 <laura> …would that apply?
16:31:41 <steverep> q+
16:31:50 <laura> Jim: i think so.
16:31:54 <allanj> ack st
16:32:03 <laura> steve: agree
16:33:18 <shawn> s/low vision is at the top of criteria for new font for W3C site/low vision is in top criteria for new font for redesigned WAI site
16:33:25 <shawn> s/Greatings from northern virginia aka dc//
16:33:48 <ScottM> they don’t want you to find it
16:34:31 <laura> jim: this brings up another instance: modal taking up whole screen.and a white X in far off location would be a good example.
16:34:45 <shawn> Present: JohnRochford, Laura, shawn, Jim, Marla, Wayne, Scott, steverep
16:34:53 <laura> …good to document these.
16:35:16 <laura> wayne: I’ve been collecting examples too.
16:35:30 <laura> …we should have a place to store them.
16:36:43 <laura> …a wiki section for our gallery.
16:37:01 <laura> jim: is there a better tool?
16:37:40 <laura> marla: google drive folder.
16:37:59 <laura> …drop box.
16:38:45 <laura> …drive may have a way to add a text description.
16:39:11 <laura> JR: flickr private group.
16:39:33 <laura> shawn: wiki
16:40:15 <laura> jim: I can facilitate adding them to the wiki.
16:41:09 <laura> wayne: I can help.
16:41:17 <laura> laura: I can help too.
16:42:06 <allanj> agenda?
16:42:18 <allanj> close item 6
16:43:26 <laura> linearization is up next on the WCAG WG survey.
16:44:26 <allanj> Topic: "support" vs "a mechanism exists" or other wording
16:44:46 <allanj> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017JanMar/1142.html
16:47:23 <steverep> q+
16:47:38 <laura> Laura: I agree whole hardily with the concept.  But the word "support" by itself is ambiguous. I don't think it would clarify.
16:47:42 <allanj> ack s
16:48:18 <laura> Steve: 2 separate issues. The word “support” is ambigous.
16:49:20 <laura> …don’t agree with taking out the word "mechanism"
16:49:28 <Wayne> +1
16:49:33 <allanj> +1
16:50:30 <shawn> s/plus ones form everyone./plus ones from everyone.
16:50:36 <laura> jim: been updating the SC on the wiki but not everything.
16:51:07 <laura> …metadata on hover on in particular.
16:51:30 <laura> …it will be the foundation of the understanding document.
16:52:40 <laura> …take an action clean them up.
16:52:56 <laura> Jim: anything else?
16:53:50 <laura> Shawn: start working on techniques.
16:53:55 <allanj> Topics: Techniques
16:54:26 <Wayne> Can we look at meta data next time?
16:55:34 <allanj> Jim will find technique template and send to list.
16:56:19 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
16:56:24 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Instructions
16:56:46 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Writing_WCAG_Techniques_-_Notes
16:57:43 <ScottM> bye bye
16:58:03 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
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