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<scribe> Scribe: Erich
<ScottM> whoohoo
Resize Content, Linearize and Graphics Contrast have been accepted to WCAG 2.1 so far
<allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_20170207/
<allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_review_Feb14_2017/
Be sure to contribute your opinions to the 2 surveys currently open
SH: out clause question regards combined SC 124, we had discussed some alternate text
<shawn> Bottom line: Authors provide content in a format that allows users to change the font, faimly, color, and spacing - and print it that way. (now make that in to SCs! :-)
JA: I can add a comment to the pull request to see what happens with it
WD: there will be a break point where you'll need to drop the linearize, but within certain limits you don't have to change the sructure of the page
<allanj> current results Adapting Text survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_review_Feb14_2017/results#xnew4
<allanj> close item 1
<allanj> Open item 2
<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75
JA: This may need to be overhauled to say write your own tool-tip that you have control over
SH: So we're saying we want every person to write their own tool tip? (no)
<allanj> Alastair
<allanj> If we continue with that one, I suggest we narrow it to one of the possible issues:
<allanj> 1. Access to content in title attributes (I suspect this is generally covered by 2.1)
<allanj> 2. Title attribute obscuring other content.
<allanj> 3. Content becoming unusable with large pop-overs (like the Perkins example).
<allanj> It occurs to me that removing title attributes is a very easy script to do, shall we tackle that on the UA site?
<allanj> Does someone want to convert that issue into pop-overs obscuring content?
JA: Adding Alastair's comments
<Wayne> +1
SM: Would not suggest people create their own tool-tips, cause lots of problems. Pop-overs seem like a good method
<allanj> current SC text - Informational content that is only shown by hovering a mouse over an element is not used as the only means of conveying information and does not obscure other content.
JA: We have definition of informational content, but sounds like we need to describe
<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75
<ScottM> The browser controlled tooltips will usually get out of the way of the mouse
JA: What is it that we want the author to do, a rule that's testable?
WD: And do-able
<allanj> do we want users to be able to turn off these pop-overs?
WD: I can take this as an action to sort it out, though perhaps not by Tues
JA: This SC is not up on survey yet, so we have time to work on it
<allanj> ACTION: Wayne to refocus #75 to pop-overs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Refocus #75 to pop-overs [on Wayne Dick - due 2017-02-23].
<allanj> close item 2
<steverep> No thoughts on how to fix obscuring stuff, but I wish there was never actionable content within a hover element
<allanj> open item 3
+1
<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
<allanj> Erich manager
<allanj> Erich: when I print document, like the regular print and the none inverted colors. Use CCTV. I print to give to other people. they don't need what I need.
<allanj> ... Comment - wcag is electronic not physical.
<allanj> shawn: need content offline, so print for personal needs
<allanj> examples: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Printing_Customized_Text#Examples
<allanj> Author provides content in a format that allows print customization
<allanj> current SC text: A mechanism is available to allow users to print page content with the presentation changes made by the user.
<steverep> This would be very useful for creating large print handouts when necessary as well
<allanj> shawn: access to information. people need to print for use off line. Authors should provide content in a format that can be printed based on user needs
<allanj> Content is in a format that allows print customization.
<allanj> Content is provided in a format that allows print customization.
<allanj> there are issues with presentation modifications being printed directly. Currently, must go to printing layer
+1
<shawn> Content is provided in a format that allows print customization of #124.
<allanj> customize what?
<allanj> steve: text only?
SH: Well, there's ideal and then
there's minimum
... The issue is what is the acceptable minimum
<shawn> UAAG 2.0 "the user can have content printed as it is rendered on screen,"
SH: (from uaag) users can have content printed as it is rendered on screen
<shawn> is under "1.4.4 Configured and Reflowed Text Printing: The user can print the rendered content, and the following are all true: (Level AA)"
<allanj> shawn: start with 124, ideally - spacing, font, hyphenation, margins, etc.
<allanj> perhaps user queries https://decadecity.net/blog/2015/06/28/user-queries and for printing
<allanj> shawn: printing with changes from 124 and reflow. perhaps linearization
<allanj> close item 3
<ScottM> +q
<allanj> trackbot, end meeting
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