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17:53:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:53:14 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2017
17:53:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
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17:59:14 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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18:03:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Jan/0095.html
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18:06:45 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
18:06:50 <jamesn> agenda?
18:06:59 <jamesn> TOPIC: Rich pumpkin
18:07:16 <jamesn> Thursday 9 Feb - last day. Will be gone for a month
18:07:27 <jamesn> Joanie will be chairing calls
18:07:39 <jamesn> TOPIC: something to review from Judy
18:07:53 <jamesn> MC: Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines checklist
18:08:01 <MichaelC> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html
18:08:02 <jamesn> coming from APA
18:08:10 <jamesn> RS: any takers?
18:08:15 <jamesn> <crickets>
18:08:25 <jamesn> RS: will put it on list
18:08:55 <jamesn> janina: this was done by MC for APA to help other WGs
18:09:04 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:09:10 <jamesn> RESOLUTION: will defer to APA
18:09:39 <jamesn> TOPIC: testable statements and test files
18:09:49 <jamesn> RS: have assigned some to Stefan
18:10:09 <jamesn> Stefan: once you turn to a pumpkin who do I turn to
18:10:12 <jamesn> RS: joanie
18:10:41 <jamesn> Stefan: I think I am on my way but for some things there is a big TBD and I can't provide the checks
18:10:53 <jamesn> property mapping for colindex for instance
18:11:07 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColIndex
18:11:32 <Stefan> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html
18:11:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_state-property
18:12:01 <jamesn> need to use rawgit version
18:12:21 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:12:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-aria-minutes.html jamesn
18:12:28 <jamesn> TOPIC: auto and manual testing
18:12:40 <jamesn> RS: last email from MSFT was they were opting to do manual testing
18:13:05 <jamesn> question is what is the likelihood that we get somethign done for IA2 or UIA in the next month
18:13:19 <jamesn> JG: found some MSAA code I wrote long ago
18:13:41 <jamesn> JG: using visual studio and C++ - seems to be the language to use
18:14:01 <jamesn> students are downloading ?????? to run on their machines
18:14:25 <jamesn> RS: joanie - if you feel we aren't making progress by end of month need to plan for manual tests
18:14:32 <jamesn> RS: we have a schedule need to deliver to
18:14:42 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:14:43 <jamesn> lets make that decision
18:14:49 <jamesn> I won't be here by then
18:15:04 <jamesn> will defer the staffing question to a later time
18:15:11 <jamesn> RS: anything else on testing
18:15:17 <jamesn> TOPIC: ARIA 1.2
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18:15:56 <jamesn> Embedded Content
18:16:11 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-map
18:16:16 <jamesn> What about the MAP element
18:16:41 <jamesn> joanie: I see it mapped to stuff
18:16:48 <jamesn> I think we might want to look at it
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18:18:51 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html/semantics-embedded-content.html#the-img-element-image-maps
18:21:25 <jamesn> RS: role mapping are all over the map for area
18:22:21 <jamesn> RS: need to look at the MAP element....  need a response from the HTML WG - to sort out consistnetyc of mappings across platforms
18:22:34 <jamesn> RS: will write an issue to the HTML AAM
18:23:20 <jamesn> JN: don't think MAP would be useful in a custom element anyway
18:23:32 <jamesn> RS: we should be looking at HTML52
18:24:16 <jamesn> TOPIC: drag and drop
18:25:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/editing.html#drag-and-drop
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18:27:48 <jamesn> some hand wavy stuff for other input modalities
18:28:21 <jamesn> RS: are doing some of the things we are doing... there is no reason we couldnt have similar attributes
18:29:05 <jamesn> RS: nothing wrong with reflecting what they have
18:29:20 <jamesn> not sure about events but not our probem
18:29:36 <jamesn> JG: benetech folks are doing a lot of work on this
18:29:44 <jamesn> have a pre conf day related to this
18:29:59 <jamesn> seems like we should be testing ideas and approached
18:30:17 <jamesn> s/JG: benetech/MK: benetech/
18:30:47 <jamesn> RS: not going to solve here.... someone needs to be assigned to look at it
18:32:41 <jamesn> RS: would like to assign to jcraig
18:34:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/editing.html#drag-and-drop
18:34:26 <jamesn> MK: maybe could get benetech to join just for this
18:35:46 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:35:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
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18:36:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/editing.html#user-interaction-editing
18:36:17 <jamesn> TOPIC: editing
18:36:34 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 521 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/521
18:37:11 <jamesn> RS: no need for hidden or tabindex
18:38:05 <jamesn> JN: how does tabindex work with web components?
18:39:05 <jamesn> RS: dont see anything else new
18:39:09 <jcraig> Re: DnD. I think that needs to happen in HTML or WebApps, not ARIA. it needs mous, touch, and kb event support.
18:39:20 <jamesn> TOPIC: edits
18:39:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/edits.html#edits
18:40:09 <jcraig> s/support./support. Definitely would be a big ask for for a dot release like 1.2/
18:41:02 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/485
18:41:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-ins
18:41:07 <jamesn> MC: included in the emphasis issue
18:41:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-del
18:41:49 <jamesn> Joanie: I would like these to be exposed
18:41:57 <jamesn> they actaully have semantic meaning
18:41:59 <jamesn> +1
18:43:20 <jamesn> RS: what we are saying is we need to look into it
18:43:31 <jamesn> MK: is there something wrong with #485
18:46:09 <jamesn> Note in old issue to consider this too
18:46:17 <jamesn> TOPIC: link types
18:46:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/links.html#sec-link-types
18:48:37 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#att-rel
18:49:53 <jamesn> RS: I don't think we need to do this... If needed for coga we can put it there
18:50:15 <jamesn> JS: they seem to be focussed on WCAG success criteria right now
18:50:42 <jamesn> MC: they are depending on it for some wcag proposals
18:50:56 <jamesn> JS: don't want to take it back to them - need the FPWD
18:52:47 <jamesn> RS: gone through everything --- all logged
18:52:53 <jamesn> when do we start a draft.
18:53:06 <jamesn> would like the 1.1 testing to be underway b4 do this
18:53:55 <jamesn> have to be very confident on core aam - needs to go to CR in feb
18:54:10 <jamesn> wasn't clear to MC that we were done with the dpub-aria aam
18:54:21 <jamesn> MC: checked the commit log yersterday
18:55:28 <jamesn> MC: somehow we had a communication issue
18:55:49 <jamesn> RS: fairly certain there was a vote to go to CR
18:56:58 <jamesn> RS: need to do a CFC
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18:57:50 <jamesn> RS: CFC will copy the dpub aria list too.
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