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<scribe> scribe: joanie
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/464
JS: It looks like we have consensus on this issue.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/459
JS: Joanie has figured out what
the mappings are and given me the information I need.
... James has also given me some information I need and
assigned the issue back to me.
... I should be able to finish this within a week.
... I may ask Joanie a question or two along the way, but I
think I can do it.
... Any comments?
RS: If they are happy with the
mappings, I'm good.
... Close it when you're done?
JS: I could, or we could do one final review.
RS: You might want to check with Joanie since she knows the code.
JS: Ok.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/464
JS: I looked at this one
yesterday afternoon.
... Specificially, this issue is about roledescription and how
to handle empty strings.
... There's a WebKit bug which states (Joseph reads from
opening report)
... https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163647
RS: Mac has a roledescription by
default.
... I would think that this means we ignore the whitespace and
expose the native roledescription.
JS: The way he has quoted the
spec seems a little bit off.
... Somewhere else, he brought up the meter element.
... The problem is that meter doesn't have an explicit or
implicit role.
RS: I do not disagree with James on that.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription
(Discussion about meter, generic elements, mappings of elements to platforms, and why the limitation of having an explicit or implicit role was added)
JS: We could potentially try to
address this in Core AAM.
... The only other thing I would say about this issue is that
there are already mappings in the Core AAM.
... So we could just close it and not worry about it.
... Are we testing this statement from the spec.?
JD: To me, it should be.
JS: It's a must.
... So there may be failures?
JD: We don't know yet.
... I think we'll have our two implementations via Gecko.
... And for the non-whitespace cases, also Safari.
JS: I can close this if there are no objections.
RS + JD: No objections.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/458
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165842
JS: Actually, this is about
aria-details.
... There's a webkit bug (URL above)
... (Reads from bug)
... What is it on the other platforms?
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDetails
JS: It's relation-details
pointer.
... And UIA uses describedby
... Comments? I don't know what to do about this.
<clown> IA2_RELATION_DETAILS
JD: I don't think there is anything to do, the comment in bugzilla suggests they don't want to implement it.
JS: So the mapping goes from "TBD" to "not mapped"?
JD: I guess.
JS: Then it will pass.
JD: Huh.
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165842
RS: James said they don't plan to implement it??
JS: See the issue (URL above)
RS: A lot of work was done to get
consensus around this.
... The community will not be happy.
... I would like to respond on the bug.
JS: I would recommend doing so on the github issue instead.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/458
JS: That way everyone will see
the discussion.
... He's suggesting the mapping be a navigation or link
action.
RS: I've commented.
JS: Let's see what happens in the coming weeks.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/456
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151691
JS: There's a WebKit bug link
(URL above)
... There are a number of comments here which we should
read.
RS: A list dosn't take articles
or specify a navigation.
... I did answer him, but no response.
... The feed role solves a lot of problems.
... You cannot use the arrows for this.
... If it's a group, you don't know there's custom
navigation.
... If it's a feed, you know there is.
... And you also know it's unlimited.
... And in articles, you can have absolutely anything
JS: James is suggesting a list.
RS: Name one platform that operates list items using J and K.
JS: I can't.
RS: I rest my case.
JD: Once we have a test case for it, it will spit up in my ATTA for WebKitGtk. That will remind me to implement it, and I can discuss this issue with James and Chris.
JS: Do you want to talk about aria-activedescendant?
RS: I saw you replied. We can come back to it.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
JS: The URL you (Rich) gave me is
above.
... You'll see some paragraphs and four list items.
... The four list items describe what happens, but in an
AAPI-neutral way.
... So you have to look at those list items and then see what
the platform does in that case.
RS: OK, it looks like we can do this, but how to do it in the harness.
https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#Example
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