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15:59:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
15:59:59 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2017
16:00:16 <ivan> Present+
16:00:35 <Jacob> Present+ Jacob_Jett
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16:01:55 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
16:02:10 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
16:02:57 <TimCole> scribenick: TimCole
16:04:30 <ShaneM> present+
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16:06:23 <azaroth> TOPIC: Scribe Selection, Agenda Review, Announcements, Minutes Approval
16:07:36 <TimCole> azaroth: agenda review. Anything else?
16:07:55 <TimCole> ... no other topics, so we will move forward.
16:07:57 <azaroth> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-annotation-minutes.html
16:08:14 <azaroth> +1
16:08:22 <Jacob> +1
16:08:24 <bjdmeest> +1
16:08:27 <takeshi> +1
16:08:30 <TimCole> RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-annotation-minutes.html
16:08:38 <ivan> +1
16:08:46 <azaroth> TOPIC: Update on status of PR Transition Request
16:09:13 <azaroth> :)
16:09:16 <TimCole> ivan: we have been approved to transition to PR (on call earlier today)
16:09:49 <TimCole> ... went smoothly, so thanks to Shane / Spec-Ops, Tim, Rob, Benjamin et al. who made it possible
16:10:04 <TimCole> ... offical publication of PR will be on 17 Jan
16:10:30 <TimCole> ... practicalities, Ivan will send out request for publication
16:10:37 <ShaneM> please remember that the decisions about transition are member only until formally done.  do not announce.
16:10:59 <TimCole> ... will check final versions of docs next Tuesday (10th), does that work for everyone and the editors?
16:11:04 <TimCole> azaroth: yes
16:11:12 <TimCole> ivan: a diff will be required
16:11:45 <TimCole> ... any changes on namespace, context doc, etc.?
16:11:52 <TimCole> azaroth: don't think so
16:12:02 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about that one change to the vocab that gregg requested - I think that was done.
16:12:08 <TimCole> ivan: make sure docs in right section of repo
16:12:21 <TimCole> ... need to run the checkers again on Tuesday.
16:13:32 <TimCole> azaroth: how is diff integrated into doc?
16:13:45 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/393
16:13:57 <azaroth> ack ShaneM
16:13:57 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about that one change to the vocab that gregg requested - I think that was done.
16:14:13 <TimCole> ivan: there's a special way to add it and also for final rec we will do an EPub version.
16:14:40 <TimCole> ShaneM: The results of PR Transition meeting are member only for now
16:15:00 <TimCole> ... did vocab change that Greg identified a while ago get fixed?
16:15:20 <TimCole> azaroth: we closed #381 and I think that means we did
16:15:27 <TimCole> ivan: yes, I remember we did
16:16:05 <TimCole> ... the change was on ns and json-ld files and was done, and since not part of rec does not need to be documented further
16:16:10 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/blob/gh-pages/vocab/wd/ontology/mk-ontology.py#L16
16:16:19 <azaroth> q?
16:17:05 <TimCole> http://emblematica.library.illinois.edu/detail/emblem/E000004
16:20:45 <azaroth> TOPIC: What's left to finish re Selectors and States Note
16:21:15 <azaroth> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/selector-note/index-respec.html
16:21:33 <ivan> https://rawgit.com/w3c/web-annotation/selector-note-reference-note/selector-note/index-turtle-not-highlight.html
16:22:01 <TimCole> TimCole: question to Shane, will we continue to have access to testing, and can update schemas?
16:22:22 <TimCole> ShaneM: yes, but test report generator updates are needed, and Shane will get to those.
16:22:43 <TimCole> ivan: have made added abstract, made updates
16:22:58 <TimCole> ... would like review to make sure still aligned with core model
16:23:15 <TimCole> ... differences are to make Note stand alone
16:23:26 <TimCole> ... added Turtle structures
16:23:35 <TimCole> ... added a syntax for fragment ids
16:23:49 <TimCole> ... examples all have frag ids
16:24:03 <TimCole> ... has small program linked from document (javascript)
16:24:17 <TimCole> ... that last definitely needs review
16:24:38 <TimCole> q+
16:24:59 <TimCole> ack TimCole
16:25:27 <TimCole> ivan: there will need to be a vote of the WG endorsing publication
16:25:58 <TimCole> ... correct way is to publish in the same round as when we publish Rec (make sure all links correct)
16:26:17 <TimCole> ... some in publishing community have expressed interest
16:26:48 <TimCole> azaroth: timeline?
16:27:05 <TimCole> ivan: Recs will be published mid to late feb
16:27:20 <TimCole> ... so people should feedback by end of this month
16:27:31 <TimCole> ... raise issues or send to mailing list
16:27:37 <TimCole> q+ different topic
16:27:49 <azaroth> ack TimCole
16:27:56 <azaroth> ack different
16:27:57 <azaroth> ack topic
16:29:07 <TimCole> TimCole: do we have to round up AC votes, and does the WG have ideas about what to say in blog when we go Rec status
16:29:25 <TimCole> ivan: yes, AC vote will open on 17 Jan for 4 weeks.
16:29:37 <TimCole> ... we will need to watch for comments (hopefully no objections)
16:30:01 <TimCole> ... we should make sure that the orgs represented in the WG to vote in favor
16:30:16 <TimCole> ... may want to contact CG members who have AC reps
16:30:38 <TimCole> ... not same as charter in terms of minimum, but it looks nicer if we get a good number of votes
16:30:46 <TimCole> q+
16:30:57 <azaroth> ack TimCole
16:31:41 <TimCole> ... should talk to Garth about raising that vote is open with DPub IG
16:32:35 <TimCole> ... WG should plan for blog (in Feb) so not urgent, but should not forget
16:32:52 <TimCole> ... ideally Rob or Tim should write the blog entry announcement
16:33:00 <TimCole> azaroth: happy to work on that
16:33:45 <TimCole> ivan: getting testimonals or less formal from implementers would be good (e.g., Europeana?, Hypothes.is?)
16:34:04 <TimCole> ... this may require a little lead time - so Tim or Rob should contact some groups
16:34:11 <TimCole> azaroth: happy to do that
16:34:13 <TimCole> ivan:
16:34:44 <TimCole> ivan: implementers on WG should also consider contributing
16:35:15 <TimCole> azaroth: including quotes from Takeshi and Dinesh would be good
16:35:27 <TimCole> ... presumably will require approvals, etc.
16:35:37 <azaroth> TOPIC: Maintaining GH Repository
16:36:03 <TimCole> azaroth: what do we want to maintain?
16:36:30 <TimCole> ... we have to be careful not to allow editing of Editor's Draft, but could make branches, etc.
16:37:09 <TimCole> ... will want to coordinate with CG to make sure we provide opportunities for them to do what they want
16:37:24 <TimCole> ivan: CG could also decide to have their own repository
16:37:38 <TimCole> ... not only issues, but can also use wiki
16:38:14 <TimCole> azaroth: a shame that forking repos doesn't copy issues or wiki
16:38:40 <TimCole> ... technically wiki is just another repository so can be cloned, but tricky
16:38:44 <TimCole> q+
16:38:50 <azaroth> ack TimCole
16:39:11 <TimCole> TimCole: have web-annotation-tests
16:39:31 <TimCole> ... do we need to maintain that or should it be a folder in the main repo
16:40:55 <TimCole> ... bring json schemas into main repo
16:41:44 <azaroth> TOPIC: Other handoffs to the CG?
16:41:55 <TimCole> ... continue to do PRs to w3ctest.org repository
16:42:24 <TimCole> azaroth: will have ability to raise and track issues
16:42:52 <TimCole> ... might do a little publicity to reinvigorate the CG
16:43:13 <TimCole> ... still has more than 100 members (on paper)
16:43:22 <TimCole> ... should plan to announce the transition
16:44:32 <takeshi> q+
16:44:35 <TimCole> ivan: to be on the safe side, we should wait until Rec publication before announcing to CG
16:44:36 <azaroth> ack takeshi
16:45:27 <TimCole> takeshi: what will CG do in regard to possible new charter, etc.
16:45:43 <azaroth> https://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
16:45:47 <TimCole> ivan: CG can propose a charter for a WG
16:46:18 <TimCole> azaroth: but CG may need to re-publish their own 'charter' - current one (link above) out of date
16:46:31 <TimCole> ... not sure how CG charters get edited
16:46:55 <TimCole> ivan: yes, CG should update. In practice someone on the team will have to be involved
16:47:39 <TimCole> ... CG should give something to Ivan when we go to Rec and then the change will be made
16:48:03 <TimCole> ... change to CG charter can happen very quickly.
16:48:25 <TimCole> azaroth: not as easy as a Wiki page, but not hard to do
16:48:53 <TimCole> takeshi: not currently a member, but CG charge should be updated to make it easier to join
16:48:59 <azaroth> q?
16:49:07 <TimCole> ivan: needs to be done
16:49:17 <azaroth> TOPIC:  Other work?
16:49:29 <TimCole> q+
16:49:39 <azaroth> ack TimCole
16:52:08 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/256
16:52:17 <TimCole> azaroth: issue 256 - add wiki page
16:52:41 <TimCole> ... regarding motivations, etc.
16:52:55 <TimCole> ivan: put it in repo wiki page so CG can keep updated easily
16:53:36 <TimCole> ... don't have to be W3C member, also given that WG wiki space will freeze at end of Feb.
16:54:26 <azaroth> TOPIC:  Next meeting: 2017-01-20
16:55:39 <azaroth> TOPIC: Adjourn
16:55:41 <TimCole> azaroth: consensus on 20th
16:55:51 <TimCole> ... adjourn
16:56:14 <TimCole> with 4 minutes to spare
17:01:00 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html ivan
17:01:09 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
17:01:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:01:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ivan, Jacob_Jett, Ben_De_Meester, Tim_Cole, ShaneM
17:01:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html trackbot
17:01:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items