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<Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Jan/0009.html
<ShaneM> [resent+
<scribe> scribenick: tink
<scribe> scribe: Léonie
RS: Welcome Joanie as
co-chair.
... We have a co-ordination call on a Monday. We may need to
talk about times offline.
JMD: Sure.
RS: These are now supported in
the conformance validator.
... Mappings are also in place.
RS: Request from WebPlat to review changes.
<Stefan> +present Stefan
RS: We have comments (not many).
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues
RS: Comments are on the wiki, is that ok?
LW: If you could post them to the Github repo when they're finalised, that would be welcome.
RS: Suggest we do this review in
the Core AAM group.
... Thank you for keeping us up to date Léonie.
LW: No problem. Let me know if this way of keeping you up dated works?
RS: Will do.
... Related, we're going to post ARIA 1.2 with roles for all
HTML elements that have mappings.
RS: We had comments. Is everyone ok with them?
JG: Feedback from Steve accepted
the comment about no defined role.
... The definition term would need a mapping change to happen
first though.
RS: In our doc?
JS: Yes.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-term
RS: Ok.
JG: Filed issues already.
JG: Have had useful feedback from
Jamie Teh.
... Haven't heard much from the MS people.
... Will put more time into this, but help is always
welcome.
RS: Have been working with Freedom Scientific on their ARIA implementation.
JG: Don't think they willcontribute code though.
RS: Glen from FS and Jamie from
NVAccess were considering becoming IE.
... Think everything is in Firefox now.
s/Tink everything is/Think everything is/
<Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-data-element
<Rich> The data element represents its contents, along with a machine-readable form of those contents in the value attribute.
RS: Do not think a role for the <data> element needs to be created.
<Rich> The value attribute must be present. Its value must be a representation of the element’s contents in a machine-readable format.
<clown> When combined with microformats or microdata, the element serves to provide both a machine-readable value for the purposes of data processors, and a human-readable value for the purposes of rendering in a Web browser.
RS: So how is it rendered?
<Rich> http://www.quackit.com/html_5/tags/html_data_tag.cfm
<MichielBijl> +1
RS: Doesn't seem to have much/any user impact.
JS: No.
RS: Ok. No need to create a role for the <data> element.
<Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#textlevel-semantics
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-time
RS: The <time> element.
<Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-time-element
RS: There is nothing in the APIs that I know of.
MC: I think UA are supposed to translate this into something human readable.
LW: Yes.
MC: Inclined to say it maps to the text role, but say that UA should transform it to something less "codey" when doing the mapping.
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-time
RS: UIA has a localised control type.
JS: This is just text not a control though.
MB: The human readable bit is already there.
RS: You might want a screen reader to announce it differently.
MC: The human readable bit might only be almost human readable.
RS: Think this is worth considering.
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<MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 507 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/507
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-code
RS: The <code> element.
MC: Already triaged.
RS: Outcome?
JS: There is no corresponding role - except AX API, which maps to Group.
MC: We triaged into issue
485.
... the issue was to consider all inline semantics
together.
... Reluctant to separate them out during triage.
RS: Think we should not do any more on text level semantics?
MC: No, but we've already triaged <code>, we should tirage therest then revisit the things we want to later.
LW: FWIW I would like to see this mapped.
RS: The <mark> element.
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-mark
RS: Plays into drag and drop.
LW: It's also used to denote/highlight exceprts in content - like code.
MB: Some browsers mark it in yellow with black.
RS: Mybe separate attributes depending on its use?
<MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 508 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/508
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-bdi
MC: <bdo> and <bdi>
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-bdo
<Rich> The bdi element represents a span of text that is to be isolated from its surroundings for the purposes of bidirectional text formatting.
<Rich> The bdo element represents explicit text directionality formatting control for its children. It allows authors to override the Unicode bidirectional algorithm by explicitly specifying a direction override. [BIDI]
MC: Think it's mostly used with multi-lingual content.
RS: Does it map to text?
SM: Fairly sure not.
RS: Think we need to think about a role.
<clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/bdo#Examples
JS: You want to show what's rendered on-screen.
SM: The intended use case is that
something like Hebrew is presented in the middle of English
content.
... The screen reader should read the languages in their
expected order.
MC: So the first word in the source order should be the first word you here with a screen reader.
RS: We need to look at this.
Anyone?
... Lisa perhaps?
<MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 509 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/509
MC: The <br> and <wbr> elements
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-br
RS: Is <br> exposed?
MC: MSAA has role system whiteppace.
JS: Nothing else has it.
<clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-wbr
JMD: <br> is exposted in ATK as a new line character.
RS: Think we should look at
this.
... assign it to me.
... include <wbr>.
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