IRC log of sdw on 2017-01-04

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Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 04 January 2017
19:54:05 [phila]
regrets+ Raphaël, Scott, Linda, Bill, Rob, Ed
19:55:28 [phila]
present+ phila
19:55:39 [kerry]
present+ kerry
19:56:07 [phila]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170104
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scribe: phila
19:57:18 [laurent_oz]
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-> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/ My current version of the SSN doc
19:58:01 [ahaller2]
present+ ahaller2
19:58:15 [phila]
phila: This includes a *lot* of tweaks, but nothing substantive of course
19:58:34 [phila]
... mainly adding and fixing the references (which were a royal mess, sorry)
20:00:18 [laurent_oz]
present+ laurent_oz
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20:00:55 [phila]
phila: I need help resolving the broken links in the doc, see https://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fphilarcher1.github.io%2Fsdw%2Fssn%2F&hide_type=all&depth=&check=Check
20:03:31 [phila]
RRSAgent, make logs public
20:03:43 [phila]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:03:43 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/04-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:04:13 [ahaller2]
I can
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20:04:33 [DanhLePhuoc]
present+ DanhLePhuoc
20:04:35 [phila]
chair: Armin
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20:05:56 [ahaller2]
https://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-sdw-minutes.html
20:06:13 [phila]
ahaller2: Last meeting minutes - 30 Nov
20:06:18 [ahaller2]
+1
20:06:30 [MattPerry]
+1
20:06:35 [phila]
ahaller2: Any objections?
20:06:48 [kerry]
+1
20:06:58 [phila]
RESOLUTION: Accepted minutes of 30 November
20:07:34 [phila]
Topic: Patent call
20:08:07 [phila]
[No comment]
20:08:08 [phila]
Topic: SSN document
20:08:13 [ahaller2]
topic: Propose to publish SSN Working Draft http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/ as foreshadowed at F2F https://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-sdw-minutes#item09.
20:08:30 [phila]
-> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/ My working copy of the doc
20:09:07 [phila]
phila: I need people who know about SSN to look at https://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fphilarcher1.github.io%2Fsdw%2Fssn%2F&hide_type=all&depth=&check=Check
20:09:30 [kerry]
q+ to comment on broken links by irc only
20:10:07 [phila]
https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasOutput (lines 2305, 2316)
20:10:07 [phila]
https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNobservedBy (lines 1916, 1926)
20:10:07 [phila]
https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhttp://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/Output (line 1605)
20:10:07 [phila]
https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasValue (line 2764)
20:10:08 [phila]
https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasInput (line 2293)
20:10:25 [phila]
ahaller2: They should be SSN, not SOSA
20:10:52 [phila]
ack k
20:10:52 [Zakim]
kerry, you wanted to comment on broken links by irc only
20:11:02 [ahaller2]
ack kerry
20:11:08 [ahaller2]
please post it into IRC
20:11:12 [kerry]
reminding I cannot hear
20:11:30 [kerry]
the 404 is to an ontology that needs to be deployed in w3 space
20:11:43 [phila]
ahaller2: Is looking up why those links are borken
20:11:54 [phila]
... They should be right but they're not
20:12:15 [phila]
phila: Yes, Kerry, but I don't know which of the *many* RDF files I'm supposed to put there
20:12:15 [kerry]
the ones phil has typed in are all specgen-sourced --- I thnk then fixed by armin
20:12:28 [kerry]
no -- not many!
20:12:43 [kerry]
"ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:12:59 [kerry]
that one is new --- on github
20:13:06 [phila]
Yes, I know the destination, but which RDF file on GH
20:13:31 [kerry]
ok -- looking up
20:13:31 [laurent_oz]
Phil: specgen generates blank cell in some tables.
20:13:47 [laurent_oz]
... which I have to delete.
20:14:08 [laurent_oz]
... e.g. tables which have two declared columns and then have three
20:14:41 [phila]
phila: Which of the files at https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/rdf goes in /2017/01?
20:14:50 [kerry]
https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated
20:15:15 [kerry]
These three are all needed
20:15:22 [kerry]
ssn.owl replaces previous
20:15:50 [kerry]
dul-alignment is for broken link "ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:15:59 [kerry]
No!
20:16:20 [kerry]
ssn-equivalences is for broken link ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:16:36 [kerry]
dul-alignment replaces previous (ssn-dul)
20:16:41 [phila]
http://www.w3.org/ns/sosa/ now works
20:16:50 [kerry]
and there is one more --- the new sosa
20:17:31 [ahaller2]
observedBy defined in SSN http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/observedBy
20:17:31 [phila]
ahaller2: Those properties aren't being included by SpecGen as there is no label
20:17:38 [kerry]
there is only one fil in the https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/rdf directory --- only sosoa.ttl
20:17:39 [ahaller2]
https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:18:27 [phila]
No, Kerry, I see *10* RDF files in that GH directory
20:19:01 [laurent_oz]
q+
20:19:12 [phila]
ack l
20:19:14 [kerry]
in the rdf directory -- only one file is relevant -- https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:19:22 [KJanowic]
phila, imho, we only need to care about https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl , right?
20:19:33 [ahaller2]
there are several properties in SSN that are not in the document, because they do not have a label in the ontology: SSNobservedBy, #SSNhasValue , #SSNhasInput, #SSNhasOutput
20:19:36 [phila]
laurent_oz: It surprised me to see a .owl extension when the content in Turtle
20:19:40 [phila]
... I'd expect to see .ttl
20:19:46 [ahaller2]
kerry, please have a look at them
20:20:22 [KJanowic]
q+
20:20:23 [kerry]
armin --- not sure what you are asking me/
20:20:30 [ahaller2]
https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:20:39 [KJanowic]
the raw file: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:20:49 [KJanowic]
see my link
20:21:12 [ahaller2]
http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
20:21:20 [phila]
phila: For clarity, https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl replaces /ns/ssn
20:21:32 [KJanowic]
q+
20:21:42 [KJanowic]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:21:56 [phila]
ack k
20:22:27 [phila]
KJanowic: Be careful to take the raw files, not the rendered ones
20:22:45 [ahaller2]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:23:02 [phila]
phila: So that one is /ns/sosa/ - done
20:23:10 [ahaller2]
https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated
20:23:26 [ahaller2]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/dul-alignment.owl
20:23:45 [ahaller2]
->http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/dul/
20:24:02 [KJanowic]
q+
20:24:18 [phila]
ack kj
20:24:34 [ahaller2]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn_equivalences.owl -> http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx
20:24:44 [KJanowic]
e.g., http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/dul-a/
20:24:48 [phila]
KJanowic: Don't mean to be picky, but I think we shouild call it Dul-A so it doesn't look likem it's the actual DUL ontology
20:25:11 [phila]
KJanowic: It's not the namespace for DUL, it's the alignment
20:25:52 [kerry]
q+ to ask what the hell dul-A is? Never heard of it before?
20:26:00 [phila]
phila: I agree, KJanowic, I don't like having alignments in /ns
20:26:04 [phila]
ahaller2: We discuessed this last time
20:26:28 [kerry]
It has not moved --- it was there for FPWd!
20:26:38 [KJanowic]
kerry: dul-a is our alignment to dul. ns/dul does not point to dul and we should be careful not to confuse people
20:26:42 [phila]
... Kerry was saying it deserves its own namespace; I don't have an opinion. I like the idea of dul-a but I also like dated space
20:27:07 [kerry]
there is nothingdated about that dul alignment
20:27:22 [KJanowic]
imho, we do not need a namespace for the alignment but I will be fine with whatever the rest of you like to do
20:27:24 [ahaller2]
s/nothingdated/nothing dated
20:28:12 [KJanowic]
ok
20:28:15 [kerry]
maybe you missed this --- but it is *alrady* in /ns as it was for the fpwd
20:28:31 [phila]
phila: With hindsight, we'd have done it differently, but, well, we didn't have hindsight.
20:28:39 [phila]
ahaller2: OK.
20:28:40 [ahaller2]
Topic: Coming back to the missing properties
20:28:55 [laurent_oz]
I suggest that in the next version we include a ssn-dul prefix in dul-alignment to make it clear it is not DUL.
20:29:12 [ahaller2]
Kerry, can you have a look at them and add them back into the document?
20:29:19 [kerry]
q+ to answer laurent
20:29:48 [kerry]
armin, yes I can --- I suppose I can just fake the specgen output for them
20:30:05 [phila]
ahaller2: The problem is that properties don't have labels so SpecGen can't generate, so we need to handcraft
20:30:22 [ahaller2]
ack kerrty
20:30:22 [phila]
ack kerry
20:30:23 [Zakim]
kerry, you wanted to ask what the hell dul-A is? Never heard of it before? and to answer laurent
20:30:26 [ahaller2]
ack kerry
20:30:30 [ahaller2]
please post to IRC!
20:30:49 [kerry]
I think the dul-a thing is over
20:30:56 [laurent_oz]
OK, kerry I retract what I said (because there is nothing in the file which would use it)
20:31:05 [kerry]
but to mention that it is "ssn-dul" --- and that is the prefix
20:31:27 [kerry]
was laurent asking for a declaraion of the prefix inside ssn-dul? that could be done.
20:31:36 [laurent_oz]
(I was just trying to make it consistent with our use of ssn-ssnxg)
20:32:07 [laurent_oz]
Yes, kerry, but see my previous point,
20:32:22 [kerry]
yes, there is no ssn-dul used inside the file becuase there are no new terms in the file --- but a prefix statement could be included i suppose if it is useful
20:33:09 [kerry]
q-
20:33:36 [laurent_oz]
Phil: I'll use the right extensions for the file .ttl or .owl
20:34:22 [phila]
-> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/ Now up to date
20:35:09 [laurent_oz]
Memo for the next version: check that all classes/properties have labels.
20:35:48 [kerry]
action: kerry to put labels in those ssn terms without them e.f observedBy
20:35:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-250 - Put labels in those ssn terms without them e.f observedby [on Kerry Taylor - due 2017-01-11].
20:36:22 [kerry]
q+ to ask about references
20:36:28 [ahaller2]
ack kerry
20:36:28 [Zakim]
kerry, you wanted to ask about references
20:36:38 [kerry]
phil mentioned trouble with references
20:36:38 [ahaller2]
kerry please post your question
20:37:09 [phila]
ahaller2: Any other requests for changes?
20:37:17 [phila]
... or comments?
20:37:20 [kerry]
the mostimportant one --- to the ssn paper (which was the only one for fpwd)
20:37:28 [kerry]
seems to have gone?
20:37:43 [kerry]
cna that be put back ---- is it possible it just disappeared today?
20:37:44 [phila]
Where's the ref to it in the doc?
20:38:02 [phila]
Only docs that are referred to make it into the references sectrion :-)
20:38:17 [kerry]
ok --- that must be the problem!
20:38:20 [phila]
:-)
20:38:32 [kerry]
well I can add a link if you want or we can do that as an action for next time
20:38:42 [KJanowic]
Hmm, I see the ssn paper in the reference section
20:38:44 [phila]
See https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/config.js
20:39:14 [phila]
phila: I think all the references are in that config file, but ReSpec ignores anything not cited in the doc
20:39:36 [kerry]
So does the group want me to writesomething to use the reference for the vote -- or just leave it to newt wd?
20:39:53 [KJanowic]
SSNO
20:40:39 [laurent_oz]
In the previous published version was here: Based on this initial work, the following document specifies a revised, modularized, and extended version of the SSN [SSNO].
20:40:52 [KJanowic]
That is the reference to the paper not the report
20:40:55 [ahaller2]
kerry, there is a reference to SSNO the journal paper, but not to the SSN XG, you want both I suppose?
20:40:57 [kerry]
laurent is right --- where did that go?
20:40:58 [laurent_oz]
at the end of part 1
20:42:04 [KJanowic]
https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/ssnx/ssn is the document
20:42:05 [ahaller2]
http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
20:42:25 [phila]
phila: So the final sentence of part 1 should say Based on this initial work, the following document specifies a revised, modularized, and extended version of the SSN ontology. [SSNO]
20:42:34 [phila]
... and that links to https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/ssnx/ssn
20:42:48 [laurent_oz]
q+
20:42:56 [KJanowic]
q+
20:43:01 [phila]
ack l
20:43:08 [ahaller2]
ack laurent_oz
20:43:16 [KJanowic]
we are confusing document and paper
20:43:22 [phila]
laurent_oz: The SSNO link pointed to the journal paper, not to the generated documentation
20:43:26 [phila]
... i.e. it was to
20:43:31 [laurent_oz]
SSNO = Michael Compton; Payam Barnaghi; Luis Bermudez; Raúl García-Castro; Oscar Corcho; Simon Cox; John Graybeal; Manfred Hauswirth; Cory Henson; Arthur Herzog; Vincent Huang; Krzysztof Janowicz; W. David Kelsey; Danh Le Phuoc; Laurent Lefort; Myriam Leggieri; Holger Neuhaus; Andriy Nikolov; Kevin Page; Alexandre Passant; Amit Sheth; Kerry Taylor. Web Semantics: Science, Services and Agents on the World Wide Web, 17:25-32 . The SSN ontology of the W[CUT]
20:43:45 [KJanowic]
q+
20:44:11 [ahaller2]
ack KJanowic
20:44:39 [phila]
KJanowic: Let's use the SSNO link that points to the article for now
20:44:53 [phila]
ahaller2: That's in the config file, so just add [[SSSNO]] to the end pf part 1
20:45:12 [ahaller2]
q?
20:46:28 [phila]
PROPOSED: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:46:49 [kerry]
q+
20:47:04 [ahaller2]
kerry, please post your question?
20:47:07 [ahaller2]
ack kerry
20:47:21 [phila]
phila: We have proxy votes from Linda, Ed, Scott, Bill, Rob, Raphael
20:47:22 [kerry]
re "updated" in motion
20:47:37 [kerry]
is hter anything to update? in rdf files/ - I don't think so
20:48:02 [phila]
phila: No, nbothing to update in the files, but I need to update the w3.org copies/put them in place
20:48:08 [ahaller2]
there should be updates later to SSN to include labels with the properties, but that is ok for now
20:48:26 [ahaller2]
those five properties that have missing labels
20:48:40 [ahaller2]
but, I will handcraft that for the document
20:48:41 [kerry]
so there are no "updates" to rdf files for the vote, right?
20:48:49 [ahaller2]
no updates to the RDF files
20:48:50 [phila]
Correct, Kerry
20:48:54 [kerry]
good
20:48:59 [laurent_oz]
Have we change ssn-bc to ssn-ssnxg in ssn-equivalence ?
20:48:59 [ahaller2]
q?
20:49:04 [kerry]
also there are some more proxy votes:
20:49:04 [laurent_oz]
q+
20:49:12 [phila]
phila: Yes, laurent_oz
20:49:15 [ahaller2]
ack laurent_oz
20:49:15 [phila]
ack l
20:50:06 [ahaller2]
q?
20:50:23 [phila]
PROPOSED: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:50:36 [ahaller2]
+1
20:50:38 [kerry]
+1
20:50:39 [MattPerry]
+1
20:50:40 [laurent_oz]
+1
20:50:42 [DanhLePhuoc]
+1
20:50:48 [kerry]
q+ after vote
20:50:50 [phila]
phila: We have proxy votes from Linda, Ed, Scott, Bill, Rob, Raphael, so +6
20:50:50 [KJanowic]
+1
20:51:10 [phila]
RESOLUTION: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:51:22 [kerry]
q-
20:51:27 [kerry]
q- after
20:51:28 [ahaller2]
q?
20:51:28 [kerry]
q- vote
20:51:55 [kerry]
q+
20:52:00 [KJanowic]
Thanks phila,ahaller2 for getting us through that!
20:52:05 [ahaller2]
q?
20:52:09 [ahaller2]
ack kerry
20:52:19 [ahaller2]
please post quickly
20:52:19 [kerry]
who will fix the doc dor missing properties?
20:52:29 [ahaller2]
missing properties I will fix
20:52:36 [kerry]
I can do it in about 4 hours from now -- is it to be me?
20:52:41 [ahaller2]
doc will be fixed by phila
20:52:43 [kerry]
sorry -- got that
20:52:51 [kerry]
thks armin I will not touch
20:53:06 [ahaller2]
q?
20:53:16 [phila]
ahaller2: Thanks everyone for joining today
20:53:25 [KJanowic]
bye bye
20:53:25 [phila]
[Happy New Year]
20:53:34 [ahaller2]
bye
20:53:49 [phila]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:53:49 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/04-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:54:06 [kerry]
happy new year and bye!
20:54:11 [phila]
present+ MattPerry
20:54:13 [phila]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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