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13:51:06 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:51:06 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2016
13:51:25 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0037
13:51:33 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0037
13:51:40 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:51:45 <Steven> Regrets: Alain
14:01:13 <Steven> Present: Steven, Erik
14:05:14 <Steven> Topic: Circular dependencies
14:05:14 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0075.html
14:05:14 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Recalculate
14:05:29 <Steven> Steven: I changed the text, please check for agreement.
14:05:37 <Steven> Topic: Repeat processing (with readonly indexref)
14:05:37 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0071.html
14:05:37 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Index_Processing
14:05:42 <Steven> Steven: Ditto for this
14:05:57 <Steven> Topic: The insert Element (ID copying)
14:05:57 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0089.html
14:05:57 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_insert_Element
14:06:06 <Steven> Steven: I deleted the text about unique IDs
14:06:15 <Steven> Topic: insert and delete (when at is out of bounds)
14:06:15 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0090.html
14:06:15 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0036.html
14:06:56 <Steven> Steven: I did change the text for this. Should we silently not do anything when out of bounds, or generate an error.
14:07:02 <Steven> s/error./error?/
14:07:24 <Steven> Erik: What do we do with setindex for example?
14:08:09 <Steven> Steven: If out of bounds it is set to 1 or max
14:08:58 <Steven> Erik: There are two cases. One where it doesn't contain a number, and one where it is bigger or smaller
14:10:12 <Steven> Steven: I'm inclined to think an expression error would be friendlier
14:10:20 <Steven> Erik: I prefer that in general.
14:10:42 <Steven> Steven: In that case I will make that change, and see if anyone screams
14:10:57 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make out-of-bounds @at an error
14:11:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2102 - Make out-of-bounds @at an error [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-21].
14:11:11 <Steven> Topic: Lazy authoring
14:11:11 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0056.html
14:11:11 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#User_Interface_Initialization
14:11:40 <Steven> Steven: I rewrote this. It was actually straight formward. Please check for agreement.
14:11:49 <Steven> Topic: index() in model binding expressions
14:11:49 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0032.html
14:12:11 <Steven> Steven: I will add text to note that you are better off using indexref than index()
14:12:18 <Steven> Topic: <bind type="foo"/>
14:12:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0027.html
14:12:43 <Steven> Steven: I agree it should be an error. Is that a binding error?
14:12:48 <Steven> Erik: Sounds right
14:13:12 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make unidentified type in a bind a binding-error
14:13:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2103 - Make unidentified type in a bind a binding-error [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-21].
14:13:22 <Steven> Topic: insert and delete contexts
14:13:22 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0031.html
14:13:56 <Steven> Steven: I will make these two consistent with each other.
14:14:19 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make insert and delete contexts consistent
14:14:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2104 - Make insert and delete contexts consistent [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-21].
14:14:30 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2087 - in-scope evaluation context
14:14:30 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0014.html
14:14:30 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0020.html
14:16:27 <Steven> Steven: I tried rewriting this today, by describing the context trickling down, rather than how to get thte context working outwards. It turns out to be much simpler. When I'm finsihsed and happy with the result, I'll send it to the group for perusal.
14:16:42 <Steven> s/finsihsed/finished/
14:16:59 <Steven> Topic: Serialization as multipart/related
14:16:59 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0006.html
14:16:59 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0030.html
14:17:33 <Steven> Steven: We still need to work on this.
14:17:59 <Steven> Erik: We do do something.
14:18:19 <Steven> ... we use heuristics.
14:18:30 <Steven> Steven: OK. I still need time to think about it.
14:19:00 <Steven> Erik: It is interesting that the spec says it is populated by upload, which doesn't give you much control.
14:20:12 <Steven> Steven: We need a datatype or other mechanism that says "this is a URI in the instance, but should be dereferenced for submission".
14:20:22 <Steven> Erik: Ideally.
14:20:41 <Steven> Topic: AOB?
14:20:45 <Steven> [None]
14:20:49 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:21:18 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:22:41 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add note about preference of using indexref to index()
14:22:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2105 - Add note about preference of using indexref to index() [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-21].
14:22:44 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:23:16 <Steven> s/thte/the
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