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<jeanne> MC: we should have an open ended request for comments and ideas for the research that is sent publicly.
<sloandr> hi, can someone remind me of the webex password, please?
<sloandr> thanks!
<jeanne> JS: we need to do that soon, so it can help guide some of the research surveys
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
<sloandr> MichaelC, I'm sloandr on IRC
<sloandr> not David_Sloan :)
Jeanne: Update on research partners outreach
David: Has reached out to individuals and has heard back from several, have good response so far
<AWK> +AWK
David: positive response about the process of using research to guide Silver decision making
Jemma: Has reached out, would like to know next step
Sarah: Also has reached out, gotten responses
Jeanne: Not sharing list of names for privacy reasons, will make public page once we get started
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
Jeanne: We need help doing
research we need answers to in order to make decisions about
Silver requirements
... We need to think about research questions for the
surveys
... We need a new conformance model for Silver, how can we
balance need for specific testing and flexibility to adapt to
new technologies
... What accessibility issues aren't covered by WCAG 2
Michael: Conforming means
different things in different places
... How are you having trouble implementing WCAG in
practice
Jeanne: How much could be moved to user agents
<jemma> +1 for michale's suggested research question
Michael: How can we create guidelines that are universally usable
<jemma> it could also be part of "gap analysis"
Andrew: When people are using sites that conform, what are the gaps in their experiences
Michael: Better concept of
differentiation between normative and best practices
... Would like Silver to have both, have good way of
differentiating
Jeanne: Better way to solve conflicts between what people need
Andrew: Concept that WCAG will
result in 100% accessible site but that isn't the case
... Standard cannot be the be-all end-all that meets needs for
every user, what do people do in the gaps?
... Silver should be normative guidelines
Shawn: Reality is that Silver will become guidelines that people point to to make things accessible
Michael: Always use words WCAG conformant rather than "accessible"
David: Based on people who have
responsed, lots of research happening outside of W3C, need to
learn about those research questions and answers
... Literature review, there will be literature that has
explored WCAG that we can look at
... There are different ways to get the partners involved, need
to bear that in mind in how we define questions
Shawn: Should prioritize literacture, article review, WCAG adaptations with partners
David: Ready to help
... Look at PhD theses, could save legwork
Jeanne: Could we get this rolling
over the holidays?
... Literature review on Friday
<Lauriat> Phase 2 agenda scratch doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/132b4XZFOTQikKAmsRuc4Q_NvuhUqsRzX5JZ3iynKzxg/edit?usp=sharing
Andrew: Implementing WCAG in
practice, can we scope out how to provide success
criteria
... The scope of the SCs are different
... E.g., page title and providing audio description
... Some way to balance effort and impact
Sarah: What can we report back to people who have agreed to partner
Shawn: List of topics, as
starting point
... Partnering one of taskforce with partner
Sarah: User research should yield research questions/needs
Michael: Operating on behalf of
WCAG WG, timeline/project plan, articulate those
expectations
... All work is done under W3C process, will be under W3C
copyright
Jeanne: Researchers can publish own research
<jemma> +q
<jemma> can we have those in writing?
Michael: Anything they submit cannot be proscribed from W3C publication
Jemme: Explaining the expectations, share in writing to share with researchers
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yqbKKSDAsQ9KkuXhxa5di30CmZHpj4npZMoUDKRhSNU/edit#gid=0
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to update research page to add timeline and IP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-silver-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Update research page to add timeline and ip [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-20].
Jemma: Also add what we are
trying to get from research
... Goal we are trying to achieve together with researchers —
expectations
Jeanne: We want them to share data with us, still researcher's data for them to use
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to add expectations to research page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-silver-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add expectations to research page [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-20].
This is request for research partners: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qigkeRt2jXkhyUPxLVzFkhTevPngs4r0X3vBfcHhlI8/edit?usp=sharing
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