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14:29:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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14:29:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
14:29:15 <trackbot> Date: 13 December 2016
14:29:34 <jeanne> agenda+ Next steps for the Discovery phase
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14:30:36 <jeanne> present+ Andrew, Jeanne, Michael, Sarah, Shawn
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14:31:21 <jemma> present+ jemmaJaeunku
14:31:32 <jeanne> agenda+ Research Projects
14:32:00 <jeanne> agenda+ Finish work on research preparations for January
14:32:11 <jeanne> agenda+ CSUN outreach
14:32:27 <jeanne> agenda+ task force structure and tooling
14:32:36 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
14:32:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Next steps for the Discovery phase" taken up [from jeanne]
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14:33:01 <jeanne> MC: we should have an open ended request for comments and ideas for the research that is sent publicly.
14:33:18 <sloandr> hi, can someone remind me of the webex password, please?
14:33:42 <sloandr> thanks!
14:36:23 <jeanne> JS: we need to do that soon, so it can help guide some of the research surveys
14:37:26 <MichaelC> present+ David_Sloan
14:37:47 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
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14:38:18 <sloandr> MichaelC, I'm sloandr on IRC
14:38:35 <sloandr> not David_Sloan :)
14:39:30 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Update on research partners outreac
14:40:00 <SarahHorton> s/outreac/outreach
14:40:40 <SarahHorton> David: Has reached out to individuals and has heard back from several, have good response so far
14:41:05 <AWK> +AWK
14:41:12 <SarahHorton> …positive response about the process of using research to guide Silver decision making
14:43:00 <SarahHorton> Jemma: Has reached out, would like to know next step
14:43:48 <SarahHorton> Sarah: Also has reached out, gotten responses
14:44:53 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Not sharing list of names for privacy reasons, will make public page once we get started
14:48:37 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
14:51:14 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: We need help doing research we need answers to in order to make decisions about Silver requirements
14:52:30 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: We need to think about research questions for the surveys
14:53:20 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: We need a new conformance model for Silver, how can we balance need for specific testing and flexibility to adapt to new technologies
14:55:29 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: What accessibility issues aren't covered by WCAG 2
14:56:07 <SarahHorton> Michael: Conforming means different things in different places
14:56:22 <SarahHorton> Michael: How are you having trouble implementing WCAG in practice
14:56:35 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: How much could be moved to user agents
14:57:31 <jemma> +1 for michale's suggested research question
14:57:52 <SarahHorton> Michael: How can we create guidelines that are universally usable
14:58:02 <jemma> it could also be part of "gap analysis"
14:58:33 <SarahHorton> Andrew: When people are using sites that conform, what are the gaps in their experiences
14:59:09 <SarahHorton> Michael: Better concept of differentiation between normative and best practices
14:59:57 <SarahHorton> Michael: Would like Silver to have both, have good way of differentiating
15:00:20 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Better way to solve conflicts between what people need
15:01:27 <SarahHorton> Andrew: Concept that WCAG will result in 100% accessible site but that isn't the case
15:02:03 <SarahHorton> Andrew: Standard cannot be the be-all end-all that meets needs for every user, what do people do in the gaps?
15:03:01 <SarahHorton> Andrew: Silver should be normative guidelines
15:03:55 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Reality is that Silver will become guidelines that people point to to make things accessible
15:05:00 <SarahHorton> Michael: Always use words WCAG conformant rather than "accessible"
15:06:19 <SarahHorton> David: Based on people who have responsed, lots of research happening outside of W3C, need to learn about those research questions and answers
15:06:52 <SarahHorton> David: Literature review, there will be literature that has explored WCAG that we can look at
15:07:15 <SarahHorton> David: There are different ways to get the partners involved, need to bear that in mind in how we define questions
15:07:32 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Should prioritize literacture, article review, WCAG adaptations with partners
15:08:26 <SarahHorton> David: Ready to help
15:09:07 <SarahHorton> David: Look at PhD theses, could save legwork
15:09:19 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Could we get this rolling over the holidays?
15:09:42 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Literature review on Friday
15:10:45 <Lauriat> Phase 2 agenda scratch doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/132b4XZFOTQikKAmsRuc4Q_NvuhUqsRzX5JZ3iynKzxg/edit?usp=sharing
15:13:29 <SarahHorton> Andrew: Implementing WCAG in practice, can we scope out how to provide success criteria
15:13:56 <SarahHorton> Andrew: The scope of the SCs are different
15:14:27 <SarahHorton> Andrew: E.g., page title and providing audio description
15:15:01 <SarahHorton> Andrew: Some way to balance effort and impact
15:15:56 <SarahHorton> Sarah: What can we report back to people who have agreed to partner
15:16:07 <SarahHorton> Shawn: List of topics, as starting point
15:16:43 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Partnering one of task for with partner
15:17:57 <SarahHorton> s/task for/taskforce
15:19:01 <SarahHorton> Sarah: User research should yield research questions/needs
15:19:51 <jeanne> agenda?
15:20:04 <jeanne> zakim, close item 1
15:20:04 <Zakim> agendum 1, Next steps for the Discovery phase, closed
15:20:05 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:05 <Zakim> 2. Research Projects [from jeanne]
15:20:17 <jeanne> zakim, close item 2
15:20:17 <Zakim> agendum 2, Research Projects, closed
15:20:18 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:18 <Zakim> 3. Finish work on research preparations for January [from jeanne]
15:20:23 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 3
15:20:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Finish work on research preparations for January" taken up [from jeanne]
15:21:05 <SarahHorton> Michael: Operating on behalf of WCAG WG, timeline/project plan, articulate those expectations
15:21:26 <SarahHorton> Michael: All work is done under W3C process, will be under W3C copyright
15:21:54 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Researchers can publish own research
15:21:56 <jemma> +q
15:22:22 <jemma> can we have those in writing?
15:22:33 <SarahHorton> Michael: Anything they submit cannot be proscribed from W3C publication
15:22:53 <SarahHorton> Jemme: Explaining the expecations, share in writing to share with researchers
15:23:02 <jeanne> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yqbKKSDAsQ9KkuXhxa5di30CmZHpj4npZMoUDKRhSNU/edit#gid=0
15:23:23 <SarahHorton> s/expecations/expectations
15:23:57 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne to update research page to add timeline and IP
15:23:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Update research page to add timeline and ip [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-20].
15:24:40 <SarahHorton> Jemma: Also add what we are trying to get from research
15:25:26 <SarahHorton> Jemma: Goal we are trying to achieve together with researchers — expectations
15:26:00 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: We want them to share data with us, still researchers data for them to use
15:26:17 <SarahHorton> s/researchers/researcher's
15:26:51 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne to add expectations to research page
15:26:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add expectations to research page [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-20].
15:28:59 <SarahHorton> This is request for research partners: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qigkeRt2jXkhyUPxLVzFkhTevPngs4r0X3vBfcHhlI8/edit?usp=sharing
15:31:53 <SarahHorton> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-silver-minutes.html SarahHorton
15:31:57 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted