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17:49:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:49:13 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2016
17:49:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
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17:56:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0011.html
18:00:05 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0011.html
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18:05:21 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:05:59 <janina> present+ Janina
18:06:04 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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18:06:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:06:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: mck
18:06:40 <mck> TOPIC: Authoring Practices Publication
18:06:58 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:11 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/ ARIA APG
18:07:26 <mck> MC: That's link to latest editor's draft
18:08:16 <mck> rs: what's new about this version?
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18:10:22 <mck> mk: This draft is shorter with signifcantly rewrites and new  examples
18:10:42 <mck> rs: when will you be done?
18:12:13 <mck> mk: we will publish a version at the same time that aria 1.1 is PR
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18:17:06 <mck> RESOLUTION: Publish workinheart beat draft of  authoring practices dur week of dec 12
18:17:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/dur/during/
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18:18:23 <mck> mk: can we have a standing resoltuion to publish authroing practices until aria 1.1 goes to pr
18:18:30 <mck> rs: no issue with that
18:19:11 <mck> RESOLUTION: Authroing Practices TF has group consensus to publish heart beat drafts of authroing practices until aria 1.1 is PR
18:19:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/authroing/authoring/
18:21:59 <mck> TOPIC: Update on core AAM and dpub
18:22:26 <mck> js: a lot of info from microsoft
18:22:34 <mck> rs: mapping for many roles
18:22:52 <mck> js: waiting on apple and axapi mappings for the same things
18:23:10 <mck> rs: no update on webkit so far
18:23:41 <mck> js: James Craig has added links to webkit bugs in some issues
18:24:10 <mck> rs: hoping by Jan we see some axapi updats
18:24:27 <mck> rs: dpub aam, have been waiting on ms
18:24:46 <mck> Have some updates on that from ms too.
18:25:31 <mck> May be ready to do CR for DPUB, Core, and AccName in Jan
18:25:49 <mck> js: about 20 actions open.
18:26:01 <mck> rs: Are they all Mac?
18:26:07 <mck> js: No
18:26:33 <clown> action-1723
18:26:33 <trackbot> action-1723 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Editorial - create sections listing the roles that provide (1) nameFrom:author and (2) nameFrom:contents -- due 2016-08-17 -- CLOSED
18:26:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1723
18:26:41 <clown> action-1732
18:26:41 <trackbot> action-1732 -- Michael Cooper to Work on conformance section for mappings (note there is a section, but change id=conformance so respec picks up) -- due 2015-10-14 -- OPEN
18:26:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732
18:27:27 <mck> TOPIC: Test
18:27:52 <mck> jg: Mostly working on APG this week ad didn't have a a test call
18:28:03 <mck> Still need test adapters for MSAA
18:28:53 <mck> Joanie: atspi dpter is mostly done; still have some polish to do
18:29:49 <joanie> s|atspi|ATK/AT-SPI2/|
18:29:53 <mck> rs: working with Freedom Scientific. They have many fetures iin Firefox mapping except shortcut keys
18:30:03 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
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18:30:21 <joanie> s/fetures/features/
18:30:23 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
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18:31:15 <mck> rs: Google has work in progress; Firefox is mostly done with mappings.
18:31:24 <joanie> s|I2/|I2|
18:31:26 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
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18:32:07 <mck> rs: Working with Freedom Scientific and NVDA to get interlocked wtih our group
18:32:09 <joanie> s/ dpter/ adapter/
18:32:21 <mck> /me thanks Joanie
18:33:18 <mck> jg: Next week will be working on msaa/ia2 adapter
18:34:25 <mck> TOPIC: ARIA in HTML
18:34:36 <mck> rs: Jon, I gave you feedback on your review
18:35:15 <mck> jg: one question is about address element, which they want to map to contentinfo
18:35:38 <mck> js: think they recently changed the definition of address
18:35:55 <mck> it used to apply to the entire page and be about credential or something like that
18:36:10 <mck> contentinfo doesn't sound wrong for the old definition.
18:36:26 <mck> jg: ARIA talks about having only one contentinfo for the page.
18:36:43 <mck> this could generate contentinfo all over the place and create landmark polution.
18:37:14 <mck> mk: address should not map to a landmark role
18:37:31 <clown> old definition of <address>:  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/address
18:37:54 <jongund> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_in_HTML_Comments
18:38:05 <mck> rs: color, clandar ... browsers have different rendering per browser; it is not necessarily text field
18:38:54 <mck> jg: color, date, time do nto default to textboxes?
18:39:11 <mck> rs: right. color, could be a picker,
18:39:22 <mck> jg: no corresponding role is fine?
18:39:26 <mck> rs: yes
18:40:25 <mck> jn: it is not defined in the spec what the implementers need to do for those html elements
18:40:57 <mck> jg: maybe we should have somethig that allows the browser to do something that corresponds to their specific implementation.
18:41:10 <mck> something different from no corresponding role for the mappig.
18:41:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/mappig/mapping/
18:42:10 <mck> rs: Michael, can we merge this our comments with the APA grou comments?
18:42:19 <mck> mc: it is possible
18:42:57 <mck> Janina: except we have an APA requirement to run a CFC for all our comments on spec
18:43:17 <mck> jg: for canvas, no corresponding role is OK?
18:43:23 <mck> rs: should be img
18:43:54 <mck> You cna always override them. At one point we tried region for canvas, but default is still img.
18:44:42 <mck> jg: so canvas should be tied mapped to img
18:45:53 <mck> jg: svg element says no corresponding role for mapping
18:46:33 <mck> mc: ARIA in HTML has not been updated to recognize the ARIA grhics module
18:46:40 <richardschwerdtfeger>  Default Platform WAI-ARIA Role Mappings 	graphics-document
18:46:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> graphics-document
18:47:21 <mck> rs: the graphics module is not yet to CR
18:47:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
18:47:39 <mck> Just leave the mapping of no corresponding role for now
18:48:37 <mck> mc: Perhps this issue should be filed as an ARIA comment not an APa comment.
18:50:02 <mck> jg: dt and dd can be part of a definition list. In another part of the document, it does not say that posinset and setsize can be used with dt and dd
18:51:36 <mck> rs: rs: in ARIA, term does not support setsize and posinset\
18:53:28 <mck> mk: shoudl we have an aria 1.2 issue for adding posinset and setsize tfor definition and term roles?
18:53:35 <mck> rs: yes
18:53:39 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#term
18:53:49 <mck> mc: creating issue
18:53:53 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#definition
18:53:56 <mck> assigning to rich
18:54:03 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/08-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
18:54:25 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 497 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/497
18:54:30 <mck> TOPIC: abbreviations (abbhr) mapping
18:54:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-abbr-element
18:54:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-abbr
18:55:36 <mck> rs: on Mac, abbr maps as group
18:59:48 <mck> rs: we need a new role for this
18:59:59 <mck> mk: agree we need a role different from group
19:00:59 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:01:17 <mck> js: dfn is also role group in mac
19:01:52 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 498 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/498
19:01:59 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
19:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/08-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
19:02:06 <mck> rrsagent, make minute
19:02:06 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', mck.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
19:02:15 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
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