IRC log of aria on 2016-12-08

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Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 December 2016
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chair: Rich
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0011.html
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0011.html
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present+ jongund
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present+ Janina
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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ matt_king
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scribe: mck
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TOPIC: Authoring Practices Publication
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present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:11 [MichaelC]
-> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/ ARIA APG
18:07:26 [mck]
MC: That's link to latest editor's draft
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rs: what's new about this version?
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mk: This draft is shorter with signifcantly rewrites and new examples
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rs: when will you be done?
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mk: we will publish a version at the same time that aria 1.1 is PR
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RESOLUTION: Publish workinheart beat draft of authoring practices dur week of dec 12
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s/dur/during/
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mk: can we have a standing resoltuion to publish authroing practices until aria 1.1 goes to pr
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rs: no issue with that
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RESOLUTION: Authroing Practices TF has group consensus to publish heart beat drafts of authroing practices until aria 1.1 is PR
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s/authroing/authoring/
18:21:59 [mck]
TOPIC: Update on core AAM and dpub
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js: a lot of info from microsoft
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rs: mapping for many roles
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js: waiting on apple and axapi mappings for the same things
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rs: no update on webkit so far
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js: James Craig has added links to webkit bugs in some issues
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rs: hoping by Jan we see some axapi updats
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rs: dpub aam, have been waiting on ms
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Have some updates on that from ms too.
18:25:31 [mck]
May be ready to do CR for DPUB, Core, and AccName in Jan
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js: about 20 actions open.
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rs: Are they all Mac?
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js: No
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action-1723
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action-1723 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Editorial - create sections listing the roles that provide (1) nameFrom:author and (2) nameFrom:contents -- due 2016-08-17 -- CLOSED
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1723
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action-1732
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action-1732 -- Michael Cooper to Work on conformance section for mappings (note there is a section, but change id=conformance so respec picks up) -- due 2015-10-14 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732
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TOPIC: Test
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jg: Mostly working on APG this week ad didn't have a a test call
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Still need test adapters for MSAA
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Joanie: atspi dpter is mostly done; still have some polish to do
18:29:49 [joanie]
s|atspi|ATK/AT-SPI2/|
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rs: working with Freedom Scientific. They have many fetures iin Firefox mapping except shortcut keys
18:30:03 [joanie]
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s/fetures/features/
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18:31:15 [mck]
rs: Google has work in progress; Firefox is mostly done with mappings.
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s|I2/|I2|
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18:32:07 [mck]
rs: Working with Freedom Scientific and NVDA to get interlocked wtih our group
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s/ dpter/ adapter/
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/me thanks Joanie
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jg: Next week will be working on msaa/ia2 adapter
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TOPIC: ARIA in HTML
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rs: Jon, I gave you feedback on your review
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jg: one question is about address element, which they want to map to contentinfo
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js: think they recently changed the definition of address
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it used to apply to the entire page and be about credential or something like that
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contentinfo doesn't sound wrong for the old definition.
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jg: ARIA talks about having only one contentinfo for the page.
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this could generate contentinfo all over the place and create landmark polution.
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mk: address should not map to a landmark role
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old definition of <address>: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/address
18:37:54 [jongund]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_in_HTML_Comments
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rs: color, clandar ... browsers have different rendering per browser; it is not necessarily text field
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jg: color, date, time do nto default to textboxes?
18:39:11 [mck]
rs: right. color, could be a picker,
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jg: no corresponding role is fine?
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rs: yes
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jn: it is not defined in the spec what the implementers need to do for those html elements
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jg: maybe we should have somethig that allows the browser to do something that corresponds to their specific implementation.
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something different from no corresponding role for the mappig.
18:41:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
s/mappig/mapping/
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rs: Michael, can we merge this our comments with the APA grou comments?
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mc: it is possible
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Janina: except we have an APA requirement to run a CFC for all our comments on spec
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jg: for canvas, no corresponding role is OK?
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rs: should be img
18:43:54 [mck]
You cna always override them. At one point we tried region for canvas, but default is still img.
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jg: so canvas should be tied mapped to img
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jg: svg element says no corresponding role for mapping
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mc: ARIA in HTML has not been updated to recognize the ARIA grhics module
18:46:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
Default Platform WAI-ARIA Role Mappings graphics-document
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graphics-document
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rs: the graphics module is not yet to CR
18:47:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
18:47:39 [mck]
Just leave the mapping of no corresponding role for now
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mc: Perhps this issue should be filed as an ARIA comment not an APa comment.
18:50:02 [mck]
jg: dt and dd can be part of a definition list. In another part of the document, it does not say that posinset and setsize can be used with dt and dd
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rs: rs: in ARIA, term does not support setsize and posinset\
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mk: shoudl we have an aria 1.2 issue for adding posinset and setsize tfor definition and term roles?
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rs: yes
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https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#term
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mc: creating issue
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https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#definition
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GH-ISSUE 497 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/497
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TOPIC: abbreviations (abbhr) mapping
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https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-abbr-element
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https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-abbr
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rs: on Mac, abbr maps as group
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rs: we need a new role for this
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mk: agree we need a role different from group
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js: dfn is also role group in mac
19:01:52 [MichaelC]
GH-ISSUE 498 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/498
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