<scribe> ScribeNick: Shervin

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html

<najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%29

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0018.html

<najib> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2

Shervin: Starting from Najib draft on numeral...

<r12a> "even though some fonts may not distinguish between the changing glyph"

<r12a> shervin: shouldn't call this out, since it's just a broken font

<r12a> ... all persian fonts have both sets of numbers

<r12a> r12a: "western" should be "european" to conform to Unicode terminology and that chosen by us way back

<r12a> hebrew: 1 + 1 = 2

<r12a> arabic: 2 = 1 + 1

<r12a> arabic: items 12 - 10

<r12a> he: items 10 - 12

<r12a> shervin: use 'north-west Africa' rather than 'Magreb', since the sphere we're talking about is wider

<r12a> ... wrt percent sign, i think if arabic-indic are used percent sign is 066A

<r12a> ... and you shouldn't mix with 0025

<r12a> ... we need to look at authoritative sources to determine which is the 'right' way to do things here

<r12a> ... should there be spaces? should the percent sign appear on either side ?

<r12a> najib: i looked at bank reports and official government law books from Morocco

<r12a> shervin: be careful, since some reports are generated by software - textbooks from an established publisher or schoolbooks are a much better measure

<r12a> ... since people creating that text ensure that it is correct

<r12a> najib: i'm documenting what i see, rather than what's correct

<r12a> shervin: ... what's in use is not necessarily correct - first we need to look at notable sources

<r12a> ... we can always call it out that common people do things differently

<r12a> shervin: why no mention of arabic thousands separator

http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%AB&B1=Show

http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C

<r12a> shervin: or the arabic decimal separator

<r12a> shervin: it's a good start - it points to areas of contention - some things need to be shortened - eg. if you use the correct thousands separator it solves confusion

<r12a> ... thanks for the effort

<r12a> najib: please comment on the wiki, and add suggestions/corrections

<r12a> ... too early for PR, stay with wiki for now

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html

r12a: Three issue; 1. Underline thickness, 2. Skipping ink when it runs into descender, 3. How determine the position of the underline relative to the character

<najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86

r12a: 4. What happens with underline with mixed-script text?

<r12a> shervin: first impression is that whenever underline happens (mostly in manuscripts, which use underline as wanted) there's always a separation between the lowest descender and the line

<r12a> ... unless space was a premium - ie no skip needed

<r12a> ... i think leaving to the font may be a good idea

<r12a> ... i can provide examples

<r12a> ... historical use case of underline is very very limited

<r12a> ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for underline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Provide some historical examples for underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].

<r12a> najib: i think underline is a western concept

<r12a> shervin: certainly it is, but i've seen it around in historical documents

<r12a> najib: i didn't find much underlines in any official texts i looked at

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459

<r12a> shervin: let's leave nastaliq out of this, because it makes things very complicated

<r12a> r12a: look at the last example at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 and think about how that relates to baseline

<r12a> shervin: Najib could you please add the names of the fonts here

<r12a> ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-11-29].

<scribe> ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Test other fonts for the underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html

http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72SR50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;rgn=main

<r12a> Justify Just or Just Justify link is now protected

http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105