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17:54:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:54:54 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2016
17:59:14 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:59:16 <Jason_Duan> Hello everyone
17:59:48 <janina> present+ Janina
18:00:10 <Jason_Duan> can anyone head me?
18:00:54 <Jason_Duan> I am from IBM
18:01:21 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC, Janina
18:02:31 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0041.html
18:02:37 <MichaelC> regrets: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:02:48 <Jason_Duan> no luck with computer audio. dialing in
18:02:48 <MichaelC> agenda+ DPub ARIA CR
18:02:51 <MichaelC> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 testing update
18:02:58 <MichaelC> agenda+ Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features
18:05:27 <MichaelC> agenda+ ARIA in HTML review
18:05:35 <MichaelC> agenda order 1, 4
18:07:27 <MichaelC> present+ Jason_Duan
18:09:17 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:09:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "DPub ARIA CR" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:10:03 <janina> scribe: Janina
18:10:35 <janina> mc: Any objections to a CfC on ARIA-Dpub?
18:10:45 <janina> [No objections]
18:10:53 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-admin/2016Nov/0000.html DPub ARIA CR CfC
18:11:18 <janina> mc: Hope to publish week following
18:11:21 <janina> zakim, next item
18:11:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ARIA in HTML review" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:11:41 <janina> mc: ARIA in HTML Review requested:
18:11:42 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0024.html
18:12:23 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/ARIA_in_HTML APA tracking of ARIA in HTML
18:13:40 <MichaelC> present+ Matt_King
18:13:49 <janina> janina: Notes Micheil is reviewing for APA Action-2104 and cross referencing APG
18:14:16 <janina> mc: Proposing the APA review will suffice for this WG as well
18:15:01 <janina> janina: Proposing to have him report to both WGs and get the wider audience
18:15:07 <MichaelC> s/Micheil/Michiel/
18:15:32 <janina> mc: Question for now is does anyone want to also review?
18:15:41 <janina> mk: No, but I have raised issues on that doc
18:15:52 <janina> mc: Anyone we think should review it?
18:15:56 <janina> [crickets]
18:16:48 <janina> jd: Also raised an issue not yet addressed
18:16:58 <janina> mk: Have raised some that have been addessed
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18:18:18 <janina> [People looking at open issues]
18:19:46 <janina> janina: Noting this was once a joint ownership, via the HTML-A11y TF
18:20:03 <janina> janina: Therefore, we owe a good review
18:20:38 <janina> mc: We'll re-address this in a couple weeks
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18:21:03 <janina> zakim, next item
18:21:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ARIA 1.1 testing update" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:21:20 <janina> mc: Anything additional this week?
18:21:37 <janina> jd: Still working, but nothing major to report
18:21:55 <janina> mc: No Testing mtg this week?
18:21:58 <janina> jd: Correct
18:22:03 <janina> zakim, next item
18:22:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:22:49 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#textlevel-semantics
18:22:56 <janina> mc: Text level semantics
18:23:03 <janina> mc: <a > we need nothing
18:23:34 <janina> jn: Do we have a mapping for an anchor? Is that important?
18:23:45 <janina> jn: Just asking
18:23:52 <janina> mc: Think not, nothing exposed to api
18:24:21 <janina> mc: so, do we worry about rhel?
18:24:32 <janina> s/rhel/rel/
18:25:05 <janina> mc: Notes there's a lot there ... Do we need these, or save for 2.0
18:25:17 <janina> mc: Suggest we'd need to go one by one
18:26:01 <janina> mc: I suggest they're useful but not widely used, so could be 2.0
18:27:06 <janina> mk: We use it to view a style sheet in the apg
18:27:18 <janina> mc: But not on an <a > tag
18:27:32 <janina> mc: Propose this is 2.0
18:27:36 <janina> [crickets]
18:28:06 <janina> mk: Mapping things not used by AT doesn't make sense, so we want them only if think they would be useful to AT
18:28:33 <janina> jn: If it were widespread and supported, it would be very useful
18:28:50 <janina> jn: But neither is true now
18:30:23 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 480 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/480
18:30:39 <janina> jn: Notes this overlaps Dpub
18:30:58 <janina> mc: What about target attrib?
18:31:16 <janina> mc: We know it's supported
18:31:47 <janina> mc: Tells what window ...
18:31:58 <janina> mc: WCAG SCs refer to this
18:32:15 <janina> mc: Do we need mapping to tell AT where to go?
18:32:44 <janina> mk: Today we add invisible text ---
18:32:56 <janina> mc: Some AT will tell you about text ---
18:33:23 <janina> mk: We did change HasPopup
18:33:47 <janina> mc: Does HasPopup meet the use case?
18:33:54 <janina> mk: No, need value like "Window"
18:34:35 <janina> mc: I think we need to consider this
18:34:38 <janina> mk: Agree
18:35:27 <janina> mc: So Issue-481
18:35:27 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 481 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/481
18:35:49 <janina> mc: Continuing with others of <a >
18:36:08 <janina> jd: href covered on Linux ...
18:36:17 <janina> mc: Suggests we need it
18:36:21 <janina> jd: Agree
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18:36:55 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 482 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/482
18:37:20 <janina> mc: Next download attrib -- believe this is ua ...
18:37:31 <janina> mc: Do we want to indicate that rather than open?
18:37:40 <janina> mk: Would propose to cover with target
18:37:52 <janina> mc: So add to target issue
18:38:11 <janina> mc: So updated 481
18:38:26 <janina> mc: Next hreflang ...
18:38:33 <janina> mc: Believe not supported by tools
18:39:34 <janina> mc: Lang not known until link opened without this, so could be a basis for choice, but haven't seen this used
18:40:05 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 483 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/483
18:40:05 <janina> janina: Suggest to ask Dpub and assessment people like ETS
18:40:16 <janina> mc: Attrib=type a mime
18:40:31 <janina> mc: Allows selection of prefered mime
18:40:40 <janina> mc: But also not used
18:41:59 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 484 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/484
18:43:10 <janina> mc: Reviewing which are 1.2 and 2.0
18:43:20 <janina> mk: Let's keep for now and see what the discussion is
18:43:25 <janina> mc: Next <em>
18:43:26 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-em-element
18:43:37 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-strong-element
18:43:42 <janina> mc: Suggest also <strong>
18:44:04 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-b-element
18:44:06 <janina> mk: Are <b> and <i> still there?
18:44:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-i-element
18:44:17 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-u-element
18:45:11 <janina> jd: Currently exposed through text attributes
18:45:58 <janina> jd: We can't really say "emphasis" by simply mapping to <i>
18:46:09 <janina> mk: Pondering using properties
18:46:20 <janina> jd: Or an attrib in ARIA
18:48:05 <janina> jd: Proposing ARIA support
18:48:31 <janina> janina: Suggesting the history is that these were intended as simple replacements for b and i
18:48:59 <janina> mk: We should keep these pieces together for future discussion
18:49:43 <janina> mk: Think there would coordination on these questions with the new CSS A11y TF
18:50:39 <janina> jd: And ins and del
18:50:52 <janina> mk: We have some kind of mapping for ins
18:51:07 <janina> mc: Also code? samp? etc
18:51:54 <janina> mc: Want to look for where we need correspondances -- not necessarily the semantics
18:52:27 <janina> mc: Also cite?
18:52:42 <janina> mc: Also q ?
18:52:46 <janina> [agreement]
18:54:09 <janina> mc: q is inline quotation
18:54:24 <janina> mc: Almost never see it ...
18:55:28 <janina> mc: Notes some of these attribs are style, and some are semantic, but different people would class each differently
18:56:37 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 485 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/485
18:56:45 <janina> mk: Willing eventually, but suggest ideal is CSS and perhaps Dpub
18:57:29 <janina> mc: Want to look at who to assign these in remaining minutes ....
18:58:05 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
18:58:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/17-aria-minutes.html janina
19:00:23 <janina> zakim, who's here?
19:00:23 <Zakim> Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, MichaelC, Jason_Duan, Matt_King
19:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see chaals, jamesn, mck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Jason_Duan, MichaelC, janina, ShaneM, trackbot, yatil-away, joanie, JonathanNeal_, timeless, AmeliaBR, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref,
19:00:25 <Zakim> ... MichielBijl, plinss
19:00:39 <janina> present+ James_Nurthen
19:01:42 <janina> topic: Next Meeting
19:01:59 <janina> mc: Next will be December 1 -- no meeting U.S. Thanksgiving Day!
19:02:13 <janina> zakim, bye
19:02:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, MichaelC, Jason_Duan, Matt_King, James_Nurthen
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19:02:19 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
19:02:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/17-aria-minutes.html janina
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