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18:00:47 <jamesn> agenda?
18:00:50 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67
18:00:50 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114
18:00:50 <jamesn> Agenda+ issue 120: Clarify focus movement when a menuitem in a menubar is activated https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120
18:00:52 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144
18:00:55 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145
18:00:58 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122
18:01:00 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 131: Draft tree view design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/131
18:01:02 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 104: Develop examples of data grids using the grid design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/104
18:01:05 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review 4Q working draft milestone and set priorities for next 2 weeks https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/4
18:04:22 <jamesn> regrets+ Michiel
18:04:30 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
18:04:42 <annabbott> present+ AnnAbbott
18:05:17 <jamesn> agenda?
18:05:49 <annabbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
18:06:26 <annabbott> Jemma asked to go first as she has to leave early
18:07:15 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 3
18:07:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "issue 120: Clarify focus movement when a menuitem in a menubar is activated https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120" taken up [from jamesn]
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18:08:08 <jongund> Sorry I am at an airport and ready to get on a plane, so regrets for today
18:08:30 <mck> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/menuKeyboardOption2/aria-practices.html#menu
18:09:39 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
18:11:00 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
18:11:59 <jongund> present- jongund
18:20:39 <annabbott> @Michiel: there is a call and JamesN is currently scribe
18:24:31 <MichielBijl> q+
18:25:35 <jamesn> <discussing Issue 120)
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18:26:54 <annabbott> Discussion about Issue 120
18:27:04 <annabbott> MK: test language in new branch
18:27:06 <jamesn> MK: need to look at the language of the branch - provide comments after reading it
18:27:36 <jamesn> MK: language not normative - it is ok to be hybrid of platforms.. designed to be flexible
18:29:02 <jamesn> agenda?
18:29:13 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:29:13 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jamesn
18:29:21 <jamesn> ack bi
18:29:29 <jamesn> ack Mi
18:29:32 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:29:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67" taken up [from jamesn]
18:29:39 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 4
18:29:39 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144" taken up [from jamesn]
18:29:50 <jamesn> & Issue 145
18:30:20 <jamesn> MK: I did 1 thing on the example referenced by 145 - modified the HTML to match the multiple example template
18:30:33 <jamesn> did't change the keyboard section - there are 2 tables which is ok
18:30:40 <annabbott> James: I can scribe now...
18:30:50 <jamesn> left the roles/properties states and tabindex szectioon in the document
18:31:01 <jamesn> hoping you can make the same update to the other exmaple page
18:32:04 <annabbott> MK: asking Jemma to make same changes to HTML in 144
18:32:48 <annabbott> AA: making editoral changes to example pages?
18:33:24 <annabbott> MK: 145 is ready for editorial review
18:33:48 <annabbott> MK: incomplete table in 145
18:33:49 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/commit/6a24c6cb196fe90cba27702603d881377e655ecd
18:34:11 <annabbott> MK: advises Jemma look at listbox table
18:34:58 <annabbott> MK: make mythical a horizontal bar?
18:35:06 <annabbott> Jemma; would look at it
18:35:36 <annabbott> JN: Matt- have you ever seen a vertical menu bar?
18:38:12 <annabbott> Bryan: only allowing when enter/space do same thing and arrow keys something else
18:38:24 <annabbott> Bryan: and container shouldn't matter
18:38:53 <annabbott> MK: make example and can figure out what words to put around it
18:39:17 <annabbott> zakim, take up issue 1
18:39:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up issue 1', annabbott
18:39:21 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 1
18:39:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67" taken up [from jamesn]
18:39:22 <jemma> ok I will see what I can do
18:39:59 <annabbott> JN: file should look cleaner and removed complex, unnecessary code
18:40:13 <annabbott> JN: still a bunch of stuff remaining
18:41:27 <MichielBijl> present+
18:41:35 <annabbott> MK: MK: needs to have example where moving via arrow moves to next heading
18:42:07 <annabbott> JN: thinks we have enough for now and move that into separate issue for next APG
18:42:43 <annabbott> MK: Bryan - willing to complete template?
18:42:53 <annabbott> Bryan: will look at it
18:43:35 <annabbott> MK: just to fill in empty blanks after making changes and will send Bryan links to exact file.
18:43:49 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:43:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114" taken up [from jamesn]
18:45:10 <annabbott> MB: fixed all issues, looked into Bryan's comments but couldn't find, tested with Win10/IE11. So is tested. Will be adding focus for next week.
18:46:26 <jamesn> agenda?
18:46:37 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 6
18:46:37 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122" taken up [from jamesn]
18:46:41 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#Listbox
18:47:24 <jamesn> zakim, close item 2
18:47:24 <Zakim> agendum 2, Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114, closed
18:47:26 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:47:26 <Zakim> 4. Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144 [from jamesn]
18:47:42 <annabbott> MK: review carefully and make comments in issue
18:47:43 <jamesn> zakim, close item 4
18:47:43 <Zakim> agendum 4, Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144, closed
18:47:45 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:47:45 <Zakim> 5. Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145 [from jamesn]
18:47:47 <jamesn> zakim, close item 5
18:47:47 <Zakim> agendum 5, Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145, closed
18:47:49 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:47:49 <Zakim> 6. Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122 [from jamesn]
18:49:36 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:49:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Issue 131: Draft tree view design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/131" taken up [from jamesn]
18:50:03 <annabbott> MK: tricky technical issue in this one
18:50:06 <mck> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue131/aria-practices.html#TreeView
18:50:59 <annabbott> MK: did lots of editorial clean-up but ran into one issue
18:51:40 <annabbott> MK: treeview item is parent and can have children, spec sounds like children must be contained/owned by parent.
18:51:55 <annabbott> MK: using group
18:52:13 <annabbott> MK: spec doesn't call for same for menu
18:54:22 <annabbott> MK: JN - if grouping is missing, users don't get posinset, setsize, etc
18:54:59 <jamesn> "Each element with role treeitem that serves as a parent node has either aria-label or aria-labelledby set to specify a label. Otherwise, the parent node will be labeled by the text content of all child elements."
18:55:06 <annabbott> MK: added need for aria-label or aria-labelledby on each parent
18:56:34 <annabbott> AA: suggest "to reduce verbosity"
18:57:40 <annabbott> MK: will enhance that bullet
18:58:25 <annabbott> MK: made separate branch to make comparison easier
19:00:14 <annabbott> MK: list of 5 notes should be under kbd section
19:01:27 <annabbott> JN: list appears at end of kbd section
19:02:16 <jamesn> agenda?
19:03:04 <annabbott> MK: data grids is ready for review
19:07:17 <annabbott> MK: review priority issue 131 treeview, issue 122 listbox, issue 104 data grids, issue 145 navigation menubar, issue 120 menu kbd guidance, issue 67 accordion, tabs example page (if comment, reopen issue 114)
19:09:40 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
19:09:48 <annabbott> rrsagent, make minutes
19:09:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/14-aria-apg-minutes.html annabbott
19:10:00 <jamesn> zakim, please go away
19:10:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please go away', jamesn
19:10:09 <jamesn> zakim, please part
19:10:09 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JamesNurthen, AnnAbbott, JaEunJemmaKu, MichielBijl
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19:10:17 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
19:10:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/14-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
19:10:26 <jamesn> rrsagent, please part
19:10:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items