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<trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 11 November 2016
<deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
<deirdrelee> scribe: car
<deirdrelee> scribe: Caroline_
<phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20161111
<phila> scribeNick: Caroline_
<phila> Least meeting minutes
<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Resolve minutes of last week'ls meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/10/28-dwbp-minutes
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<annette_g> +1
<phila> +1
<hadleybeeman> +1
<newton> +1
<ericstephan> +0
<ericstephan> wasn't here
RESOLUTION: Resolve minutes of last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/10/28-dwbp-minutes
<laufer> 0 (not present)
<Eric_Kauz> +0
<deirdrelee> Caroline_: thank you for helping to gather evidence
<deirdrelee> .. we have put this form together
<deirdrelee> ... metadata BP, it is interesting to see that BP1 has high number of evidence, 26 now
<PWinstanley> last meeting minutes - I am not included in the minutes but was there (see log) - so can it be amended?
<deirdrelee> ... for the others in metadata, we also have good number
<deirdrelee> ... licence bps has a lot of evidence
<deirdrelee> ... as does provenance, quality and versioning
<deirdrelee> ... for identifiers, we only have 5
<deirdrelee> ... we wanted to flag this one for discussion
<deirdrelee> ... format and vocabulary are okay
<deirdrelee> ... data access is also BPs we have flagged, low number of evidence
<newton> Bill's comment: "Too difficult to test in a meaningful way. In this system, no datasets have yet been taken offline, so the archiving process has not been developed."
<deirdrelee> ... then the one we are most concerned about - data preservation, it only has the minimum number of evidence
<deirdrelee> ... newton highlighted a comment from bill in relation to this
<deirdrelee> ... would like to discuss with the group
<deirdrelee> ... just to finish, we have enough evidence for remainder BPs
<deirdrelee> ... thanks for all your help
deirdrelee: data access and data
preservation have low evidences numbers
... does anyone have any question?
... maybe for data preservation we should be targeting
different people
... publishers who are in the archiving business
<ericstephan> good point deirdrelee +1
deirdrelee: they might be
different stakeholders that might help us getting
evidences
... do you know people that deal with archives?
phila: the people we know are the
people we are already reaching, such as Christopher
... he was before he went to BBC
... as Bill said it is hard because people are not doing that
yet
... it is not just numbers of how many evidences do we
need
... it is also about quality
... Caroline_ pointed out that the BP we have the most
evidences is metadata
<annette_g> not everything was evaluated for every BP
phila: it is frightening how many
we still don't have
... some of the organizations we looked at are very important
and gave us good evidences
... we should have at least one of the organizations the W3C
Director mentioned by name
... the spreeadsheet we have is good
<newton> we do have wikidata and schema.org. I agree with the need for collect evidences from dbpedia and imdb
phila: I am not worried about
having a couple lower
... about numbers I think we are okay
... I am worried about the quality, so we need to put more
organizations
<deirdrelee> deirdrelee: what is next step plans?
<deirdrelee> Caroline_: herbert will come back with feedback on preservation by nov 21st. we had planned to have all evidence by yesterday, but if the group agrees to keep the process open, we can have a final sprint
<deirdrelee> ... we can then provide the final implementation report in html
<deirdrelee> phila: don't get hung up on the html, if you can generate it easily, fine. but don't spend whole day on it
https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-implementations/
<deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: I have taken wiki pages as implementation report
<deirdrelee> phila: need to have confidence it will still be there in 5 yrs timem
<hadleybeeman> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations
hadleybeeman: this link is much less formal
<deirdrelee> phila: that is a good example, but it is for multiple docs, so don't feel compelled for it to be that detailed
phila: I asked Martin's help as well
<ericstephan> phila working on real time as well...
deirdrelee: if you agree we can wait until the 21st and finish the report on the 23rd
phila: if we have the
implementation report ready on November 23rd we can have a call
on the 25th and then have the transition
... we will have another call with the director and based on
the evidence we have he might proceed as a candidate
recommendation
... AC member will review and we must respond them
... hopeful they will be only editorial comments
... the problem is that takes us to Christmas
... no one here can predict what the proposed recommentation
review by the membership will be
... it is unusual to don't have any comments
<hadleybeeman> PR: http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#rec-pr
hadleybeeman: PR is 28 days long
phila: the Western hemisfere
shuts from Dec 16 until January 2nd?
... another thing I want to hightlight is that once you get the
PR is done
... riccardoAlbertoni, Antoine and ericstephan mentioned we
would have another version of the vocabs
... if you do have time I strongly suggest we vote on the
updated version of the 2 vocabs
<riccardoAlbertoni> sorry i did not get when is the last chance to vote for vocabularies, would you mind repeating it?
phila: Friday the 25th is okay to
have the report finished and then have the call with the
director on the 1st week of December
... at this stage let's keep it
<deirdrelee> ak newton
<ericstephan> just an fyi, 25th is a US holiday... I can be on but best also check with annette_g
phila: you can only make
editorial changes now
... not content changes
... it is the last chance the group has to make any
comments
... once you have the review from the membership if there are
only editorial changes to be made it will be a
recommendation
deirdrelee: we can start working on the implementation report right way
hadleybeeman: it took us a while to organize the call with the director
phila: I will send a message to
him
... if we have comments during the CR we have to make sure to
answer them
... we also need to record the comments
... what you did before on the wiki is fine
action to phila to get some dates to the director call
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action phila to get some dates to the director call
<trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Get some dates to the director call [on Phil Archer - due 2016-11-18].
action Caroline_ editors will address the comments we will receive during PR
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action Caroline editors will address the comments we will receive during PR
<trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Editors will address the comments we will receive during pr [on Caroline Burle - due 2016-11-18].
action Newton editors to prepare the Implementation Report
<trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Editors to prepare the implementation report [on Newton Calegari - due 2016-11-18].
action phila adding high profile evidences
<trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Adding high profile evidences [on Phil Archer - due 2016-11-18].
<annette_g> Twitter API is actually very good
newton: about the Twitter
evidence
... instead of analizyng all the set annette_g analized the
APIs
phila: what it looks lke is that
it doesn't even provide metadata
... don't leave like this
... at the moment it looks like it fails most of the BPs
newton: there are more datasets analized the same way
<ericstephan> I focused on specific parts I did not analyze the entire site in many cases
newton: the Government of
Alagoas
... Eric's datasets as well
annette_g: eerything I put on I went sraight to the BP
<ericstephan> I did the same, just very targetted dataset or resource against a BP
deirdrelee: would make send to make a colum to show that that dataset was to analyse that BP
annette_g: I think the table we
present can be misinterpreted that we are trying to evaluate
the websites
... the point is to get evidences to the BPs
<ericstephan> +1 annette_g
PWinstanley_: I agree
ericstephan: I agree with
annette_g and that is the approach I have been taking
... it is easier to look for specific BPs we need to show
evidence
<ericstephan> what I found was interesting was the WAYS implementations actually carried out the best practice
<hadleybeeman> +1 to Annette's idea
Caroline_: how to show the table or the evidences that doesn't seem that we are evaluating the datasets, but actually getting evidences that our BPs are actually good
annette_g: changing the table, maybe creating a list
deirdrelee: write an exaplnation about the methodology we used
phila: if you have a object to
each BP or a list of implementation you can write a script to
make it easier
... you can use a selection of things, which would not
necessary a table
<ericstephan> +1 phila to the json idea
phila: if you do a litle bit of hacking :)
newton: I will use tools to do that
<phila> Czech Republic
phila: that page lists all the BPs
newton: we will discuss among the editors and try to base the Implementation Report on something like that
<newton> we'll point on the Implementation Report about the methodology as well
annette_g: if we have 30 implementations of a given BP is there any value of listing all those?
hadleybeeman: it helps to
demonstrate to the director that they have value
... I think it is better to include as much implementations as
possible
<ericstephan> which sampling is biased toward the order of the list :-)
annette_g: since the form was so large it became dificult
hadleybeeman: we can use as an explanation if needed
deirdrelee: it is a good point
<Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to ask if i got it right: the 25th nov is the last chance date for voting vocabularies
riccardoAlbertoni: did I got it right: the 25th nov is the last chance date for voting vocabularies?
phila: it is right
... this meeting in 2 weeks time will be the last meeting we
will have
... we can vote to the transition for the BP document and the
changes on the vocabs documents
... if you make any changes I suggest it have to be done very
soon so the WG can have a look
<annette_g> I just added four memento examples for BP 11 to my spreadsheet
thank you annette_g :)
riccardoAlbertoni: there are
comments that we received
... would be a good idea to consider them
ericstephan: question to the BP
editors
... the evidences I found was based on a target to getting
evidences
newton: it would be very much helpful
deirdrelee: could you talk about the Workshop to be held in Amsterdan?
phila: the link of the agenda is
above
... the motivation for this workshop there are multiple
<laufer> Unfortunately, I won´t go... :(
phila: there are a lot of
evidences that DCAT needs a WG
... one of the reasons for teh Workshop is because it should
start a WG and that is a continuation of this WG
... more interestinly form a eng point of view is that we
dont'have a agreed way to provide a machine readable
format
... to see if you can link automaticaly
... datasets
... I'd expect to point stuff that already exists
... you should be able to request data, particularly
metadata
... "can you give me the metadata record using DCAT, or CKAN,
etc"
... the workshop is a success WG to this
... in terms of the agenda day 1 is a lot about DCAT
... day 2 is about content negotiation
... and what we will do in a new WG
<phila> Attendee list
deirdrelee: a lot for 2 days!
<laufer> ruben, ivan...
<ericstephan> okay, take care all!
deirdrelee: thank you everyone for attending today!
<riccardoAlbertoni> bye, good weekend!
<laufer> bye all... good sun for all...
deirdrelee: we will have another meeting on November 25th
<annette_g> bye!
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