title: DPUB-ARIA Weekly meeting

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dpub-cr/aria/dpub.html

Exit Criteria

Tzviya: Ivan added sentence to indicate that those using terms in epub:type have clear plan to shift to DPUB-ARIA role

Rich: I disagree with these exit criteria bc there are mappings

Michael: I don't think that we need to test role mappings. We will test the the API mappings separately

Ivan: We are not disagreeing that the role mappings need to be testing as ARIA Core is
... We are testing 2 recommendations, and they should have 2 seperate exit criteria

Michael: The reason this is different from ARIA is that the DPUB roles can be implemented without mappings and still be useful
... We are still testing the API Mappings. It is actually cleaner than what we've done in ARIA

Ivan: I have the experience of testing 3 specs for a WG, and each has slightly different exit criteria. This is very clean

Rich: Please clarify wording in proposed exit criteria "the role attribute value is used, as defined in this specification; or, as a fallback"

<ShaneM> rich do you mean the aria attributes or do you mean the role values ?

Ivan: fallback means inclusion of both of both, as a precaution

Rich: I would prefer to see exit criteria require 2 publishers (or other) use the role mechanism, but not be comprehensive

Ivan: I will work on wording today

Rich: How does this affect the world of epub:type? How is this valuable as exit criteria?

Tzviya: one of the goals of this vocab is to replace epub:Type

Ivan: and, we can prove that the terms have value to publishers
... We need to create exit criteria for mapping document

Michael: We can copy/paste from ARIA AAM for DPUB-AAM exit criteria

Ivan: For MS mappings, what are you waiting for?

Rich: mappings, which may influence implementations

<ShaneM> doesn't NVDA rely upon the browser too?

<ShaneM> I just meant is isnt only JAWS

Pullquote implicit value

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dpub-cr/aria/dpub.html#doc-pullquote

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0029.html

Tzviya: Matt noticed an error last week in doc-pullquote, made minor change to definition

subclasses "none"

Tzviya: Alexander recommended NOT doing aria-hidden='true', instead doing 'no semantics, not exposed'

Rich: The only API that maps is Apple, which maps to "group"
... so the only change would be to Apple

<ShaneM> you are way off mike ivan

Tzviya: Rich emailed API Mappers to resolve issue.

Ivan: I edited the exit criteria while discussing

consensus on exit criteria

<ShaneM> That's awesome - thanks Mickael!

Tzviya: I'll work with Shane on testing DPUB-ARIA

Shane: We are testing DPUB-ARIA and DPUB-AAM - 2 sets of tests
... Do we want tests in WPT or just in a repo?

Ivan: I think a repo is fine

Shane: What's the target date for CR Complete?

Michael: ARIA CR Complete is 13 Jan, so we should aim to DPUB at the same time

<ShaneM> That's fine

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0027.html
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