IRC log of wai-wcag on 2016-09-27

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 27 September 2016
14:51:55 [Joshue108]
zakim, agenda?
14:51:55 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:51:56 [Zakim]
3. WCAG 2.1 requirements discussion (https://w3c.github.io/wcag21/requirements/) [from AWK]
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5. Review COGA SC Proposals [from AWK]
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6. DPUB meeting [from AWK]
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7. Review MATF SC Proposals [from AWK]
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8. Review LVTF SC Proposals [from AWK]
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9. WCAG 2.1 requirements [from AWK]
14:54:07 [AWK]
zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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agenda+ TPAC debrief
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agenda+ Techniques and Understanding timeline
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agenda+ GitHub issues
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+AWK
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+KimD
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+Rachael
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+Joshue108
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Having trouble with webex - hang in there everyone
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+SarahHorton
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
15:02:42 [Kathy]
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present+
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present+ Laura
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Present+ Lauriat
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Present+ Greg_Lowney
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rrsagent, set logs public
15:05:28 [Joshue108]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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Scribe: Laura
15:06:39 [AWK]
Zakim, agenda?
15:06:39 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. TPAC debrief [from AWK]
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2. Techniques and Understanding timeline [from AWK]
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3. GitHub issues [from AWK]
15:07:43 [laura]
AWK: Don’t have an extensive agenda today.
15:08:08 [Joshue108]
KimD or Greg if either of you would be up for scribing next week?
15:08:14 [laura]
…TPAC, Update on tech timeline, and Github Issues
15:08:25 [Makoto]
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…a lot of work is being done in task forces.
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Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:09:20 [Makoto]
Present+ Makoto
15:09:28 [laura]
…keep your band with in mind.
15:09:29 [AWK]
Zakim, take up item 1
15:09:29 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "TPAC debrief" taken up [from AWK]
15:09:37 [laura]
TOPIC: TPAC
15:10:33 [laura]
We had reports from all the task forces.
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Number of SCs almost 50.
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AWK: We don’t know how many will show up in the final doc.
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15:12:11 [laura]
…Very good meeting.
15:12:16 [Joshue108]
q?
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q+
15:12:24 [Joshue108]
ack me
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ack j
15:12:43 [laura]
Josh: Thanks to everyone. Was a good meeting.
15:12:44 [Kathy]
q+
15:13:13 [AWK]
ack kathy
15:13:17 [laura]
…good to see progress. Feeling positive.
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agenda+ Silver next steps
15:13:24 [Kathy]
q-
15:13:32 [laura]
Kathy: Echo similar points.
15:13:53 [laura]
…good to hear what the other TFs were doing.
15:14:29 [laura]
…need to find out user needs for SCs and how they may be combined.
15:14:44 [laura]
…lots to think about.
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…need to review proposals.
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…overall worhwhile.
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q?
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AWK: meweting with digital publishing.
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q+
15:16:23 [Joshue108]
s/meeting/meeting
15:16:41 [laura]
…they are adopting WCAG 2 and then adding to it.
15:16:47 [Joshue108]
q+ to say that ePub also have a bunch of new techniques that are getting updated in early Oct
15:17:04 [laura]
…they are aware of the Dec 1 deadline.
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Katie: was unaware that WCAG is combining with them
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… awesome thing.
15:18:35 [Joshue108]
s/WCAG is combining with them/ WCAG is combining with IDPF potentially
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AWK: IDPF melding not finalized yet.
15:19:39 [Joshue108]
ack me
15:19:39 [Zakim]
Joshue, you wanted to say that ePub also have a bunch of new techniques that are getting updated in early Oct
15:19:41 [laura]
David: some complications but going forward
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ack r
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http://www.idpf.org/epub/a11y/techniques/techniques.html
15:20:06 [Ryladog]
Yeah!!
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more technique to review!
15:20:21 [laura]
Josh: They have techs
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…we can fold them into our docs.
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s/we can fold them into our docs/we can fold them into our docs after working group review.
15:21:09 [laura]
AWK: spent time on silver planning.
15:21:41 [laura]
…we are not chartered to do Silver yet.
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…but we are plannning and having conversatioins.
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…we are working on charter
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…interested in having WCAG stay current. On a 2 year cycle.
15:23:50 [Ryladog]
q+
15:24:01 [Joshue108]
q+
15:24:12 [laura]
…not sure how long silver will take.
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…want to keep moving forward. 2.1 will help us there.
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15:25:46 [laura]
…2 year cycle. If sliver takes longer we may have a 2.3
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ack ry
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15:26:46 [laura]
katie: who was invovled with that consensus?
15:27:00 [laura]
AWK: people in the room.
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David: not me
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katie: decoupling is a bad idea in my mind.
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…would be a nightmare.
15:28:47 [AWK]
s/sliver/silver
15:28:54 [Wilco]
present+ Wilco
15:28:56 [laura]
..we should get 2.1 including TF work.
15:29:08 [jeanne]
present+ jeanne
15:29:43 [AWK]
ack josh
15:29:48 [Joshue108]
ack me
15:29:56 [laura]
…don’t punish TF’s if SCs are not ready
15:30:29 [laura]
josh: thanks to silver group for thier work.
15:30:32 [kirkwood_]
+kirkwood
15:30:48 [laura]
josh: dont thing we had consensus
15:30:49 [AWK]
ack to say that there is a difference between consensus in a room and on the group
15:31:41 [Ryladog]
q+
15:31:49 [laura]
…SCs that do not make it in 2.1 will get into 2.1 or silver.
15:32:23 [laura]
…we on a strict timeline.
15:32:46 [Joshue108]
q?
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ack awk
15:33:04 [laura]
..want to see COGA SC in there but have to be practical.
15:33:21 [MoeKraft]
present+ moekraft
15:33:22 [AWK]
q+
15:33:26 [AWK]
ack ry
15:33:44 [laura]
Katie: we need to include COGA SC. They need our help.
15:34:04 [laura]
josh: let’s do that.
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ack awk
15:34:15 [laura]
katie: can’t do it alone.
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ack awk
15:34:54 [laura]
AWK: purpose after Dec 1 is that we work on SCs.
15:35:01 [Kathy]
q+
15:35:12 [Joshue108]
s/dont thing we had consensus/don't think we had consensus but were close
15:35:32 [Ryladog]
I agree that components may need to bbe combined
15:36:18 [Joshue108]
s/we on a strict timeline./we are on a strict timeline
15:36:19 [laura]
…will be improvements for COGA in 2.1 some may have to wait to silver.
15:36:45 [laura]
…some may be before silver.
15:36:50 [AWK]
ack kathy
15:37:22 [laura]
kathy: agree that deadline is challenging.
15:37:37 [Ryladog]
q+
15:37:48 [laura]
…SC’s don't need to be perfect.
15:38:30 [laura]
…we need the user requirements.
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q?
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ack ry
15:39:27 [Joshue108]
q?
15:39:35 [laura]
COGAs SC personalization SCs needs to work with mobile’s SCs
15:40:49 [laura]
katie: need to hash things out and get it on the books.
15:41:28 [AWK]
q+ to talk about decoupling
15:41:37 [laura]
katie: need to work together. Need sedicated time to work on it.
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s/sedicated/dedicated
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ack awk
15:41:55 [Zakim]
AWK, you wanted to talk about decoupling
15:42:11 [laura]
s/sedicated/dedicated/
15:43:06 [laura]
awk: consensus in the room is different than group consensus
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q+
15:43:42 [laura]
…we should be focused on WCAG matching the world.
15:44:38 [laura]
…always policiy effort occurring around the world. WCAG needs to keep pace.
15:45:09 [laura]
s/policiy/policy/
15:45:16 [Joshue108]
q?
15:45:20 [laura]
…need to keep up to date.
15:45:32 [Joshue108]
I think that's fair.
15:45:51 [Joshue108]
q+
15:46:05 [laura]
Katie: we need to be up to date.
15:46:33 [laura]
…there are ways to handle it.
15:46:56 [Joshue108]
ack me
15:47:12 [laura]
josh: agrees with AWK.
15:47:25 [David-MacDonald]
q+
15:47:28 [laura]
…do people object to 2 year cycle?
15:48:00 [jeanne]
+1 to a two year cycle for updates to WCAG
15:49:12 [MichaelC]
q+
15:49:24 [laura]
katie: we need to continue to improve WCAG.
15:49:31 [MichaelC]
q+ to say best practices come in many forms
15:49:37 [AWK]
q+ to clarify decoupling further, not to decouple the ability to work with policy but to decouple timing
15:50:49 [laura]
josh: have been hamstrung with policy constraints.
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ack r
15:51:43 [MichaelC]
q+ to say we need can´t overlook policy implications, but also can´t be blocked by them
15:51:52 [AWK]
ack da
15:51:53 [laura]
…I am prepare to give 2 year cycle a go. We need to get 2.1 out.
15:52:55 [laura]
David: we want a regular cycle. But maybe not put 2 years in the charter.
15:52:56 [AWK]
ack m
15:52:56 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to say best practices come in many forms and to say we need can´t overlook policy implications, but also can´t be blocked by them
15:53:21 [laura]
Michael: Not opposed to 2 year cycle.
15:53:55 [laura]
…better to charter in 2 year blocks then recharter.
15:54:31 [laura]
…don’t stop because we are afraid.
15:54:39 [Joshue108]
q?
15:54:40 [laura]
…need to find a balance.
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…we can do other things. we don’t have to abandon extensions.
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ack awk
15:55:48 [Zakim]
AWK, you wanted to clarify decoupling further, not to decouple the ability to work with policy but to decouple timing
15:55:54 [Ryladog]
+1 to david and michael
15:56:06 [laura]
…we can have short-term and long -erm goals.
15:56:14 [Ryladog]
I mentioned Best Pratices exactly for that purpose michael
15:56:29 [laura]
s/-erm/term/
15:56:44 [Joshue108]
I think that was the misunderstanding.. its not about decoupling from policy.
15:56:51 [Ryladog]
I am all about withwhile work
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:-)
15:56:59 [Ryladog]
yes, thanks
15:57:00 [laura]
awk: don’t think we are in disagreement.
15:57:16 [Joshue108]
s/withwhile/worthwhile
15:57:53 [laura]
awk: we will be taking a crack at writing a new charter.
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TOPIC: Silver
15:58:52 [laura]
awk: we looked at silver at TPAC.
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Shawn: Presented options and structure.
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…discussed preferences.
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…Options on flexibility was preferred
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q?
16:01:52 [laura]
Jeanne: may want to think about sending out for public comment
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q+ (Added comment of public communications)
16:02:56 [laura]
…we need to start breaking it to the public but not before the charter is done.
16:03:29 [laura]
…we want to start talking to people.
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…how and when is dependent on other factors.
16:04:23 [Ryladog]
q+ to unsure about this at this time
16:04:39 [laura]
awk: doesn’t seem like a bad thing. But may not get much feedback.
16:05:05 [laura]
jeanne: it is a way to start getting the word out.
16:05:23 [AWK]
ack ry
16:05:23 [Zakim]
Ryladog, you wanted to unsure about this at this time
16:05:31 [laura]
…many factors to keep in mind.
16:05:58 [laura]
katie: may complicate other things.
16:06:17 [laura]
…needs to be done carefully.
16:06:50 [laura]
josh: not against. need to work out how.
16:07:00 [SarahHorton]
Hello :)
16:07:50 [laura]
awk: need to chart out our plans.
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Zakim, agenda?
16:08:22 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. TPAC debrief [from AWK]
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2. Techniques and Understanding timeline [from AWK]
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3. GitHub issues [from AWK]
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4. Silver next steps [from AWK]
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Zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "Techniques and Understanding timeline" taken up [from AWK]
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Timelines
16:10:40 [laura]
awk: timelines are appoaching.
16:11:43 [laura]
…timeframe is in about a month and a half
16:12:06 [AWK]
Zakim, take up item 3
16:12:06 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "GitHub issues" taken up [from AWK]
16:12:30 [laura]
awk: we have some new items.
16:12:32 [AWK]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues
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#236
16:12:50 [laura]
…does anyone want to take a look athe these?
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https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/236
16:13:19 [laura]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/233
16:13:36 [laura]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/232
16:14:03 [laura]
awk: indicate here or on Github.
16:14:43 [laura]
Mo: I will take Luminance / Luma confusion #236 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/236
16:16:50 [laura]
Rachelle: I will take https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/234
16:17:41 [laura]
awk: any other busuness?
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s/Rachelle/Rachael
16:18:07 [laura]
s/busuness/business/
16:18:34 [laura]
awk: okay. Thanks all.
16:18:40 [AWK]
zakim, who is on the call?
16:18:40 [Zakim]
Present: AWK, JF, steverep, marcjohlic, Joshue108, Mike, Elledge, GregL, KimD, jeanne, kirkwood, jon_avila, Laura, David, MacDonald, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Rachael, Lauriat, Kathy,
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... JamesNurthen, Joshue108_, mhakkinen, alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Shawn, David-macdonald, Charles_LaPierre, Avneesh_Singh, George_Kerscher, Shawn(for_part), SarahHorton,
16:18:43 [Zakim]
... Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Wilco, moekraft
16:18:58 [AWK]
Trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
16:18:58 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been AWK, JF, steverep, marcjohlic, Joshue108, Mike, Elledge, GregL, KimD, jeanne, kirkwood, jon_avila, Laura, David, MacDonald,
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... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Rachael, Lauriat, Kathy, JamesNurthen, Joshue108_, mhakkinen, alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Shawn, David-macdonald, Charles_LaPierre, Avneesh_Singh,
16:19:01 [Zakim]
... George_Kerscher, Shawn(for_part), SarahHorton, Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Wilco, moekraft
16:19:06 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items