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14:05:15 <shadi> meeting: WCAG Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Task Force
14:05:20 <shadi> chair: Wilco
14:05:24 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
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14:06:49 <shadi> present: Wilco_Fiers, Alistair_Garrison, Charu_pandhi, Jon_Gunderson, Mike_Scott, Rob_Fentress
14:07:25 <shadi> present+ shadi
14:08:21 <cpandhi> present+ Charu Pandhi
14:09:48 <jongund> Lori Lane
14:09:52 <jongund> Mike Scott
14:10:02 <shadi> present+ Lori_Lane
14:10:19 <shadi> present+ David_ONeill
14:10:56 <RobF> Robert Fentress, Virginia Tech, Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
14:11:13 <Wilco> 1) Tooling introduction next week
14:11:17 <shadi> present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
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14:11:31 <shadi> Topic: Tooling Introduction Next Week
14:11:44 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:11:47 <shadi> Wilco: task force tools setup
14:12:06 <shadi> ...want to have a call next week to introduce new participants to these tools
14:12:29 <Ryladog> Sorry I will be on a plane at that time
14:13:00 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/
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14:13:27 <Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/
14:13:49 <Wilco> shadi: please see the information on the conformanc etesting homepage
14:14:13 <shadi> present+ Romain_Deltour
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14:14:34 <Wilco> ) Meeting time for ACT TF
14:14:51 <shadi> Topic: Meeting Time for ACT TF
14:15:04 <shadi> Wilco: plan is to have weekly meetings for ACT TF
14:15:12 <shadi> ...need to determine possible times
14:15:28 <shadi> ...either Thursday at this time, or same time on Wednesday
14:15:49 <shadi> ...preference for Wednesday, to avoid rescheduling auto-WCAG
14:16:08 <shadi> Katie: Wednesday works for me
14:16:25 <shadi> Rob: when is auto-WCAG?
14:16:27 <Alistair> Wednesday +1
14:16:31 <shadi> Wilco: at this time
14:16:57 <shadi> Jon: can you describe the relationship between auto-WCAG and ACT TF?
14:17:13 <Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/
14:17:40 <shadi> Wilco: ACT TF will focus on standardizing the format of test rules
14:17:58 <shadi> ...and auto-WCAG will continue to develop test rules according to that new standard
14:18:14 <shadi> Rob: so auto-WCAG will develop a tool?
14:18:26 <shadi> Wilco: no, the rules that get implemented by tools
14:18:45 <shadi> Rob: how is that different to ACT TF?
14:19:01 <shadi> Wilco: auto-WCAG writes the tools, ACT TF standardizes the format
14:22:46 <shadi> Shadi: output of ACT TF is a standard of the rule format and the benchmark requirements
14:23:07 <shadi> ...and output of auto-WCAG is a repository of test rules
14:23:30 <shadi> ...those that pass the benchmark will be marked as such
14:23:48 <shadi> Wilco: back to agenda - hearing no objections to Wednesday
14:23:52 <shadi> Charu: fine for me
14:24:00 <shadi> David: fine too
14:24:04 <shadi> Lori: fine too
14:24:12 <shadi> Romain: probably fine too
14:24:41 <Wilco> 3) Sign up for ACT TF: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/participation
14:24:44 <shadi> RESOLUTION: ACT TF will meet Wednesday from end-September onwards
14:24:51 <shadi> Topic: Sign-Up for ACT TF
14:25:11 <shadi> Wilco: need to register for ACT TF
14:26:00 <Wilco> shadi: the act tf will be a taskforce of the wcag wg, who are responsible for the standardization. they will do the validation and vatting to ensure uniform interpretations
14:26:27 <Wilco> ... the work will start very soon. If you want to participate, you need to join WCAG WG
14:26:41 <Wilco> ... there are different procedures if you work for a w3c member organization or you don't
14:26:45 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/
14:27:02 <Wilco> ... on the homepage of the act tf there is information, go to 'how to participate'. there is a link to wcag wg participation
14:27:30 <Wilco> ... if you work for a w3c member, your ac rep need to asign you to the working group. You need to let Shadi know that you want to join
14:27:50 <Wilco> ... also let the chairs of the wcag wg know if you only want to participate in the taskforce
14:28:08 <Wilco> ... if you are not from a w3c member org, there is a procedure for invited experts
14:28:22 <Wilco> ... this is reviewed case by case, depending on what organization you are from
14:29:02 <Wilco> ... We will move all activities to the ACT TF, and auto-wcag will only keep working on test rules.
14:29:17 <Wilco> ... You are welcome to participate in both groups.
14:29:55 <Wilco> David: Do I need to reapply as a invited expert?
14:30:04 <Wilco> shadi: I'll need to check
14:30:23 <Wilco> shadi: Let us look separately
14:30:59 <Wilco> Charu: I have to get internal permission internally as well
14:31:41 <Wilco> shadi: if you have any questions please email me
14:32:04 <Wilco> rob: question, the auto-wcag group is a CG, and it does not go through the same process
14:32:06 <Wilco> shadi: yes
14:33:07 <Wilco> shadi: depending on your organization, you may need permission, but anyone can join a community group. It is much more open and easy to get involved
14:33:18 <Wilco> ... we want to do the rule development in that group
14:33:50 <shadi> Wilco: several people not on the call
14:34:00 <shadi> ...can I send them the links
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14:34:18 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/#contribute
14:34:55 <Wilco> 4) TPAC meeting: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Face-to-Face_Meetings
14:34:57 <shadi> Shadi: suggest that link from the homepage
14:35:06 <shadi> Topic: TPAC Meeting
14:35:15 <jongund> no
14:35:36 <shadi> Alistair: not attending in-person
14:36:36 <shadi> Wilco: goal is to work on the requirements document
14:37:00 <david> regrets, conflict with usbln conference
14:38:07 <Wilco> shadi: TPAC is from the 19th to the 23rd of september, you can still join until tomorrow
14:38:25 <Wilco> ... This is an informal meeting to interact with the WCAG WG to get the group started
14:38:40 <Wilco> ... We'll work on the requirements to help kickstart the work
14:38:58 <Wilco> ... there will be remote participation for ACT participants
14:39:23 <shadi> Topic: User Stories
14:39:28 <Wilco> 5) User stories: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/User_stories
14:40:21 <shadi> Wilco: approach to help evolve the requirements
14:40:31 <shadi> ...grouped user stories into specific groups
14:41:21 <shadi> [Wilco walks through the document]
14:42:44 <shadi> David: like the approach and categorization
14:42:54 <shadi> ...just nit-pick on #7
14:43:11 <shadi> ...think policy makers often don't get to that level of detail implied
14:43:46 <shadi> ...likely will refer to a body of work that their team is allowed or encouraged to use
14:43:57 <shadi> Katie: can leave it as-is
14:44:12 <shadi> ...but rephrase a "QA-lead following a policy"
14:44:26 <shadi> ...or such
14:44:44 <shadi> David: agree with Katie
14:45:36 <shadi> ...this work relates to policy but not policy
14:45:47 <shadi> ...agree that QA is where rubber will hit the road
14:46:06 <shadi> Wilco: agree, QA-lead is that I was thinking about
14:46:21 <shadi> Katie: but ensure to say "following a policy"
14:46:31 <shadi> ...QA lead not typically write policy
14:46:46 <shadi> David: mention of policy important, though
14:46:55 <shadi> ...want to encourage use of repository
14:47:14 <shadi> Alistair: this group is not designed to do that
14:47:33 <shadi> ...it is this group plus auto-WCAG
14:47:48 <shadi> ...suggest to drop out what is not being done by ACT TF
14:48:08 <shadi> Katie: think keep together
14:48:24 <shadi> ...large organizations will be thinking "what is the least I could do"
14:48:46 <shadi> Alistair: need to decide which tests are good or bad
14:48:49 <shadi> q+
14:49:15 <shadi> ...repository open to any contribution
14:49:28 <shadi> ...concerned about watch-keeping
14:49:49 <shadi> Wilco: put this in because expected this discussion
14:49:57 <shadi> ...want to clarify scope
14:50:21 <shadi> ...repository will be developed by ACT but who will maintain it is still open
14:50:35 <jongund> q+
14:50:42 <shadi> ...will decide which get included and which not
14:51:00 <shadi> ...will need at least a set of acceptance criteria to get to REC
14:51:15 <shadi> ...need to figure how to maintain that repository
14:51:30 <shadi> Alistair: did not realize that this is part of ACT
14:51:52 <shadi> ack jon
14:52:13 <shadi> Jon: had trouble with Techniques on which ones get in and which not
14:52:25 <shadi> ...some get left out for whatever reason
14:52:35 <shadi> ...hope that there will be a clear process
14:52:43 <shadi> q-
14:52:55 <shadi> ...to ensure transparency and reduce frustration
14:53:16 <Alistair> q+
14:53:17 <shadi> ...also to know which kind of rules should be submitted and which not
14:53:58 <shadi> Wilco: looking at how this is done for Techniques will be important
14:54:06 <shadi> ...will come later down the road
14:54:08 <shadi> ack al
14:54:20 <jongund> i need to leave a little early
14:54:22 <shadi> Alistair: still concerned about scalability
14:54:46 <shadi> ...took me a year to get a Technique accepted
14:54:55 <shadi> ...lots of discussion
14:54:59 <shadi> q+
14:55:14 <shadi> ...didn't realize we are going to vet rules
14:55:36 <shadi> Wilco: not sure we will come up with a set that is definitive
14:55:50 <shadi> ...but have a benchmarking deliverable
14:56:04 <shadi> ...still have to figure out exactly how
14:56:17 <shadi> ...will need to consider implementation time
14:56:34 <shadi> ...also manage the quantity of rules
14:56:58 <shadi> Alistair: talking about industry consortium rather than W3C group
14:57:05 <shadi> Wilco: don't see why
14:57:35 <shadi> Alistair: because knock-effect on entire industry
14:57:54 <shadi> Wilco: again, manufacturers can go beyond
14:58:08 <shadi> ...this is a minimum set that we all agree on
14:58:27 <shadi> ...document these agreed rules in a repository
14:58:31 <shadi> q-
14:58:34 <cpandhi> q+
14:58:41 <Alistair> q-
14:58:46 <shadi> ack cp
14:59:14 <shadi> Charu: reiterated that ACT will deliver framework, benchmark, and repository
14:59:33 <shadi> ...repository includes test rules developed by auto-WCAG
14:59:57 <shadi> Wilco: rules in the repository is at least test rules we agree on
15:00:33 <shadi> ....figure out how to maintain ACT after we've solved the acceptance
15:00:54 <shadi> Charu: trying to understand the relationship to auto-WCAG
15:01:21 <shadi> Wilco: auto-WCAG writing rules but rules can come from other organizations as well
15:01:35 <shadi> Topic: Closure
15:01:56 <shadi> Wilco: please use Discussion Page to comment on these
15:02:27 <shadi> Shadi: need to join ACT TF
15:02:41 <shadi> Rob: next auto-WCAG meeting?
15:03:02 <shadi> Wilco: 29 September
15:03:10 <shadi> ...same time
15:03:37 <shadi> Wilco: next ACT TF meeting next Thursday same time
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