IRC log of wpay-digitaloffers on 2016-08-26

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+present
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present+ Linda
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present +Brian
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present+ Aisho
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present+ alyver
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present+ Andre
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present+ Bob
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agenda+ Ted
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agenda+ brian
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present+ Ted
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present+ Brian
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present +Ed
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present+ DavidE
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zakim, clear the agenda
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agenda cleared
16:02:59 [manu]
Present+ Manu
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present- Ted
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agenda+ Invitations, letter, spreadsheet
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agenda+ TPAC
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agenda+ Review updated CG Charter
16:04:55 [Ian]
IJ: I have seen no objections to the draft letter; people will salt to taste
16:05:46 [Ian]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1td9Lo6QOvPkK2W41_mEvSkmC7qlYKDvRfgG8v6XqOtA/
16:10:38 [manu]
+1 to contacting more than one person, as long as we let folks know.
16:12:57 [Ian]
IJ: Should we send link to draft charter?
16:13:05 [Ian]
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/Loyalty2016#Draft_Charter
16:14:59 [manu]
q+ to ask what the desired outcome from W3C TPAC
16:17:46 [Ian]
ack manu
16:17:46 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to ask what the desired outcome from W3C TPAC
16:17:47 [Ian]
q+
16:17:49 [dezell]
+1 to manu
16:17:55 [Ian]
ack me
16:18:18 [manu]
q+ to ask how those that don't have contacts can help.
16:19:48 [dezell]
q?
16:19:52 [dezell]
ack manu
16:19:52 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to ask how those that don't have contacts can help.
16:20:34 [dezell]
q+ to revisit steps -
16:22:38 [Ian]
q+ to return to the letter (after TPAC goals clarified)
16:22:49 [Ian]
ack dezell
16:22:49 [Zakim]
dezell, you wanted to revisit steps -
16:22:58 [Ian]
Linda: Deliverables for TPAC?
16:23:05 [Ian]
dezell: Charter
16:23:33 [Ian]
IJ: Add
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- list of people we have spoken to
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- their priorities and suggestions
16:24:08 [dezell]
Goals/Scope/Deliverables
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sDeliverables/Deliverables\/ProspectiveMembers
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sDeliverables/Deliverables\/ProspectiveMembers/
16:25:49 [dezell]
q+
16:26:56 [alyver]
I do not have contacts at the remaining companies, but happy to do some reach outs if others want to share their contacts.
16:27:14 [bob]
q+
16:27:28 [Ian]
ack dezell
16:27:32 [Ian]
ack bob
16:27:59 [Ian]
Bob: I will go speak with our product/sales people for contact names for a number of these organizations
16:28:20 [Ian]
ack me
16:28:20 [Zakim]
Ian, you wanted to return to the letter (after TPAC goals clarified)
16:29:46 [Ian]
IJ: we have not yet framed questions we have for them
16:29:50 [Ian]
..to engage people more:
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- make it more like a great opportunity
16:30:02 [dezell]
q+
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- give a sense of what we would like from them
16:30:07 [manu]
q+ to say we're asking them about their biggest problems in the digital offers space, right?
16:30:11 [Ian]
ack dezell
16:30:27 [Ian]
dezell: I spoke with someone from NACS magazine this week. He is writing a piece on digital offers
16:30:50 [Ian]
...I think there are two big costs to people who distribute coupons:
16:31:02 [Ian]
1) Deployment (tracking, burning, etc.)
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2) Cost of redemption (to merchants)
16:31:35 [Ian]
....so I think the opportunity is to reach more people (e.g., social media) and also lower the cost of redemption
16:31:54 [dezell]
q?
16:32:18 [Ian]
ack manu
16:32:18 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to say we're asking them about their biggest problems in the digital offers space, right?
16:32:37 [Ian]
manu: if we want to engage them, we could say "here are the things we think are the most pressing issues today"
16:32:46 [Ian]
...we would like to hear from you - did we miss something?
16:33:07 [Ian]
...we are looking for feedback soon -- upcoming meeting, want to integrate (sooner than later) into the emerging payments APIs
16:33:22 [ltoth]
q+
16:33:37 [Ian]
ack ltoth
16:34:03 [Ian]
ltoth: Realistically, looking at the time frame, we are looking at an opportunity to have 2 phone calls
16:34:19 [Ian]
...I am wondering if rather than scheduling a meeting, should we do a survey instead?
16:34:31 [manu]
+1 to survey, we had very good results w/ Verifible Claims and that approach
16:34:33 [dezell]
q+
16:34:34 [Ian]
q+
16:34:48 [manu]
q+ to +1 a survey - you could look at Verifiable Claims survey as template.
16:34:55 [Ian]
ltoth: So maybe 5-10 mins of time rather than hour of call?
16:34:57 [Ian]
ack dezell
16:35:11 [Ian]
dezell: I still think a call is useful (could be after labor day). I think a survey could be good
16:35:35 [Ian]
...Ian do you want to take a pass at revising the letter?
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q+
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ack me
16:37:18 [ltoth]
q+
16:37:56 [dezell]
ack manu
16:37:56 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to +1 a survey - you could look at Verifiable Claims survey as template.
16:37:59 [Ian]
IJ: would love a "here's what we think" view around which we have consensus. And use that at a starting point for outreach. I don't think we have it.
16:38:10 [Ian]
Manu: I think we do have that perspective.
16:38:27 [Ian]
...and use the group to refine
16:38:30 [manu]
Compelling VC use cases: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uCnDSDzPtzAK4h0rPJEr90bjDeh4rRLFBaqGNBRb_tA/edit
16:38:31 [Ian]
[IJ thinks we are not there at al]
16:38:51 [Ian]
...we had success through a survey
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...so I think survey better approach than call
16:39:25 [Ian]
...people can list some issues that exist today
16:39:37 [Ian]
...ask people to agree/disagree with the problem statements.
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...I think we can open a survey and get data in advance of TPAC
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q+
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ack ltoth
16:40:49 [Ian]
ltoth: I am confused...I took out specifics from charter
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..but now I hear people want specifics.
16:41:05 [Ian]
ltoth: I'd be happy to sit with people today to talk about questions for a survey
16:41:12 [Ian]
q?
16:41:55 [Ian]
1) Write down the problems we want to solve
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2) We ask people (see spreadsheet) if they agree or have other issues
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3) we have data to discuss at TPAC
16:42:35 [ed_]
can join at 4 a well
16:43:57 [manu]
q+ to note that he's hearing - "Let's focus on the survey"
16:44:04 [manu]
ack Ian
16:44:26 [dezell]
q?
16:44:28 [Ian]
IJ: +1 to writing down problem statements, then socializing them
16:44:29 [Ian]
ack manu
16:44:29 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to note that he's hearing - "Let's focus on the survey"
16:44:31 [dezell]
q+
16:44:42 [Ian]
Manu: I heard the survey is "top priority"
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(IJ: I think the _problem statements_ are the most important...the survey is a means to getting data [in a timely fashion])
16:45:23 [Ian]
Manu: In my mind, then next step is pretty clear - meet today
16:45:29 [Ian]
...or over next few days
16:45:33 [Ian]
q+
16:46:02 [Ian]
q+ to suggest focus is on problem statements
16:47:49 [manu]
q+ to note normalcy of the "Thrashing around when taking a group to the next step at W3C"
16:48:34 [Ian]
ack me
16:48:34 [Zakim]
Ian, you wanted to suggest focus is on problem statements
16:48:39 [Ian]
ack dezell
16:48:54 [Ian]
IJ: I think some churn inevitable; I think we are progressing and some time required to get on the same page
16:49:15 [Ian]
...+1 to crafting problem statements and those will help foster discussion
16:49:32 [Ian]
dezell: What I would like to do ... take the remainder of this call to look at what came out of charter
16:49:41 [Ian]
...that material might be useful for problem statements.
16:49:55 [Ian]
...I suggest that those who can convene at 4pm ET should do so
16:50:07 [Ian]
...create initial set of problem statements.
16:50:21 [Ian]
{IJ suggests "thinking about survey" but not "creating a survey" as you think of problem statements}
16:50:22 [Ian]
q?
16:50:23 [Ian]
ack manu
16:50:23 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to note normalcy of the "Thrashing around when taking a group to the next step at W3C"
16:50:39 [Ian]
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/Loyalty2016
16:51:10 [Ian]
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page%2FLoyalty2016&diff=3844&oldid=3827
16:52:00 [manu]
q+ to provide feedback on charter
16:52:05 [Ian]
https://www.w3.org/2016/08/19-wpay-digitaloffers-minutes.html
16:52:24 [Ian]
ack manu
16:52:24 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to provide feedback on charter
16:52:42 [Ian]
Manu: I like the new charter...gets right to the point
16:52:51 [Ian]
...however, I think the CG should work on technical specificaiotns
16:53:21 [Ian]
...I think we are going to want to list some things that are out of scope as well...but I have no idea what they would be.
16:53:29 [Ian]
...e.g., new identification schemes
16:54:19 [Ian]
...we should make clear we are not going to propose specs in scope for other orgs
16:54:52 [Ian]
q+
16:55:16 [Ian]
Manu: We should indicate some things are out of scope (to show we are limiting the work)
16:55:28 [Ian]
...the other thing under deliverables: we should plan to work on technical specifications.
16:56:08 [brian]
q+ re scope
16:58:28 [dezell]
ack Ian
16:59:38 [Ian]
ack brian
16:59:38 [Zakim]
brian, you wanted to discuss scope
16:59:42 [dezell]
ack brian
17:00:13 [dezell]
q+
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q+
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ack dezell
17:01:49 [manu]
phone call at 4pm: 540-961-4469 x6500
17:02:01 [Ian]
https://www.w3.org/2016/08/19-wpay-digitaloffers-minutes.html
17:02:11 [Ian]
"again, it feels like what the CG should be focusing on, the goal of the group, is to understand what the key industry use cases are and what the Web needs to facilitate ecommerce around digital offers. Descriptions of the problem space, wrt. how W3C could standardize stuff."
17:02:51 [manu]
q+ to note the technical spec writing part is /really important/
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q-
17:03:31 [dezell]
ack Ian
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q+
17:06:53 [ed_]
* talk at 4
17:07:00 [Ian]
Topic: Next meeting
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2 September, noon ET
17:07:08 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/26-wpay-digitaloffers-minutes.html Ian
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20:00:05 [dezell]
hello folks
20:01:34 [manu]
call into 540-961-4469 x6500
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The Web Payments group at W3C is currently exploring challenges related to "loyalty" and digital offers, and how they relate to payments on the web. Target areas for consideration include issuing..."
20:24:30 [dezell]
Which specific capabilities do you feel are most crucial to the success of a loyalty and digital offer system for the web?
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+ Ed present
20:25:41 [dezell]
that can accomodate existing brick and mortar requirements,
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20:29:31 [dezell]
hi alyver - call into 540-961-4469 x6500
20:34:51 [dezell]
distribution, acceptance, settlement (batch, real-time)
20:54:00 [dezell]
https://www.facebook.com/david.ezell.52?fref=nf