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11:28:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:28:41 <trackbot> Date: 08 August 2016
11:28:58 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160808
11:29:12 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda for 2016-01-08:  https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160808
11:29:31 <ivan> Chair: Renato
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11:58:12 <renato> present+ renato
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11:59:47 <simonstey> present+
12:00:11 <renato> we heard ;-)
12:00:22 <michaelS> present+ michaelS
12:00:33 <renato> chair: Renato
12:00:51 <renato> Regrets: Phil, James
12:01:06 <renato> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160808
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12:01:45 <benws2> present+
12:02:01 <ivan> present+
12:02:07 <renato> Any volunteers to Scribe: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Scribes
12:02:59 <smyles> present+
12:05:03 <CarolineB> Happy to try but not sure how to do actions
12:05:17 <simonstey> scribe: CarolineB
12:05:17 <CarolineB> cool
12:05:37 <simonstey> TOPIC: admin
12:05:43 <michaelS> scribeNick CarolineB
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12:05:51 <renato> approve: https://www.w3.org/2016/08/01-poe-minutes
12:06:29 <renato> accepted
12:06:36 <simonstey> TOPIC: UCR
12:06:51 <Sabrina> present+ Sabrina
12:07:09 <CarolineB> renato: we'll go through the use cases,
12:07:31 <CarolineB> ...leave Mo's since hes not here
12:07:36 <renato> UC.18 https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#policyAssertion
12:09:06 <CarolineB> renato: ...UC18 comes fro Plus and allows people to assert rights
12:09:43 <renato> requirement: new PolicyType for an "Assertion" of terms
12:10:35 <CarolineB> smyles: who is making the assertion. Is there a difference?
12:12:35 <CarolineB> renato: its someone managing rights on behalf of another. No validation is implied (answering benws)
12:13:49 <renato> UC.19 https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#relTimeConstraint
12:14:58 <CarolineB> michaelS: It's temporal, allowed to do something before or after the event, but no exact time for the end.
12:15:25 <simonstey> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-owl-time-20160712/ ?
12:15:26 <CarolineB> ... so we need something more than fixed date and time
12:16:18 <CarolineB> renato: there is an event constraint, could it work for this?
12:16:32 <smyles> q+
12:16:53 <CarolineB> michaelS: it needs to be related to a time
12:17:11 <simonstey> "elapsedTime" - A period of time in which the policy action can be exercised. 	The start of the period is when the action is first exercised.
12:17:51 <benws2> q+
12:18:44 <CarolineB> smyles: talks about how you "know" the event has happened and how it is commonly handled by organisations
12:18:52 <CarolineB> ... if we buld it in will it be used?
12:19:17 <CarolineB> michaelS: remembers this UC comes from earlier discussion re sport
12:19:23 <CarolineB> ... often written in natural language
12:19:31 <simonstey> meteredTime 	The maximum period of metered usage time 	Value must conform to [ISO-8601] as represented in [W3CXMLSCHEMA]. For example “P30H” indicates a 30 hour period.
12:19:48 <simonstey> timeInterval 	Recurring period of time in which the usage may be exercised 	Interval value must conform to [ISO-8601] as represented in [W3CXMLSCHEMA]. For example, “P7D” indicates a 7 day period.
12:20:25 <CarolineB> michaelS:don't need a description of event only an identifier of it
12:20:59 <CarolineB> benws: wonders what ODRL needs for this. Agrees Michael just an identifier
12:21:24 <simonstey> +q
12:21:35 <benws2> q-
12:21:51 <smyles> q-
12:22:21 <smyles> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-owl-time-20160712/
12:23:43 <simonstey> q-
12:24:11 <CarolineB> renato: we'll look at the OWL temporal spec and see what can be used for an encoding agnostic solution
12:25:01 <CarolineB> renato:we've covered all we can in the UC doc for now
12:25:38 <CarolineB> ... we need the originators to cover the reamining ones
12:26:08 <CarolineB> renato: so - now we look at actions
12:26:20 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/17
12:27:16 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/open
12:27:59 <ivan> q+
12:28:12 <CarolineB> benws: how many poeple do we need on the call for decisions re names
12:28:27 <CarolineB> s/poeple/people
12:28:30 <ivan> q-
12:29:15 <CarolineB> benws: clarifies list is a list of roles
12:29:41 <CarolineB> sabrina: claims interesting action names
12:30:03 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
12:31:06 <CarolineB> renato: need to do a horizontal list of deliverables. Need a privacy/security review
12:32:34 <CarolineB> renato: editors, will you put the requirements into the WIki first?
12:33:26 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-poe-minutes.html ivan
12:34:03 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
12:34:03 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:34:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been renato, CarolineB, simonstey, michaelS, benws, ivan, smyles, Sabrina
12:34:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:34:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-poe-minutes.html trackbot
12:34:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:34:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items