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<allanj> scribe: Jim
<allanj> these are fluid
<laura> Scribe: Laura
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_Success_Criteria
AWK: 3 sets of stuff on the Wiki
page.
... Success Criteria Requirements
Acceptance Criteria for proposals for new Success Criteria or to change existing Success Criteria
<AWK> draft: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Proposals-for-new-Success-Criteria
<allanj> above is a mock up of a Proposed SC
scribe: some proposals may be long others may not be as long.
JR: each SC should be binary?
AWK: yes
... need testable statements.
JR: COGA hasn't really been constructing binary SCs
Wayne: I noticed that.
AWK: it is something we need to
work out.
... Wiki page is what we are viewing as a template.
... need to base SC on good evidence.
... last setion on Wiki page is: Success Criteria Best Practice
Guidelines
... …Best Practices are not things we will be rejecting SCs
on.
... we will try to improve them in the process.
<allanj> laura: shall vs should
AWK: shall = must
... should = should
Jim: should we be following 1219 for SCs
AWK: yes
<allanj> rfc 2119 must be used in SC - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
Jim: thank AWK
<JohnRochford> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1 has placeholders for the TF SCs
AWK: WCAG 2.1 Success Criteria wiki page should be finalized next week.
Jim: Gap analysis is now in
proprer space.
... need SCs by december
... 3.1.1 Brightness Overall defer to silver
... something hardware should do.
Shawn: not for 2.1
3.1.2 Text Contrast Users can set the background color and the text color from the full color spectrum.
Jim: wording we came up with a couple weeks ago.
Shawn: copy edit is needed.
Jim: got it.
<scottm> this: http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html
Jim: is this one we can put in template?
JR: what do we mean by
system?
... why not say device?
shawn: perhaps say OS?
JR: User Agent?
... OS is too ambiguous.
AWK: sometimes things are not done by the OS.
Jim: would platform cover
it?
... OS
<allanj> laura: is this for silver? how would authors do this? What the technique?
<allanj> good point, Laura
wayne: author style sheet.
<allanj> can authors can defer to the browser setting for foreground and background.
<allanj> we don't expect authors to write a stylesheet editor for their sites.
wayne: we can have a failure technique for not removing backgound images.
<allanj> text - For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and background colors from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
Scott: won’t work for flash.
AWK: could be available in
fash.
... not worried about this use case.
... authors need to make sure this works.
shawn: are we comforable only scope to blocks of text?
wayne: we should use all text.
<JohnRochford> +1 to "text", not "blocks of text"
AWK: maybe we should send it through saying all text.
<JohnRochford> Gotta go, folks. Ciao.
<allanj> proposed text - For the visual presentation of text, a mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and background colors from the full range of colors available on the operating system. (Level AA)
<shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the system.
AWK: apple may have some
concern.
... engineering needs to happen to meet it.
<shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
wayne: need to think of accessibility support.
Scott: whose responsibility is it?
Shawn: authors.
... in HTML it is done by browsers. but not in flash.
wayne: not that simple.
<shawn> Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
<shawn> ^^^ adds handle "Text Colors"
RESOLUTION: Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
Shawn: A or AA?
<Wayne> AA
<scottm> AA
<AWK> Not AAA
AA
3.1.3 Not Relying on Color Color is not the only visual means of conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or distinguishing a visual element.
Jim: No gap for 3.13
3.2.1 Rewrap for One Direction Scrolling
<scottm> 3..2..1..contact!
Jim: lot of proposals. WCAG 1.4.8 change to (AA)
wayne: AWK had propsed text.
<allanj> ack, a
<Zakim> AWK, you wanted to suggest that this item should be discussed with COGA and MATF to avoid redundant work
AWK: 2.0 is still 200%
wayne: google docs only gives 200%
AWK: may want to coordinate with other TFs.
Jim: 3.2.2 Reflow to Single
Column Users can set blocks of text in one continuous block,
instead of in multiple columns.
... we have 2
<allanj> Blocks of text can be displayed as a single column. (Level A)
<allanj> and
<allanj> Users can choose to have all content linearized in a single column, with the same primary alignment. (Level AA)
wayne: shouldn't limit to blocks
of text.
... everything should be able to be \ displayed as a single
column.
... pictures, videos, everything.
jim: web page?
wayne: yes.
jim: is turning off css acceptable?
wayne: no
<allanj> Web page can be displayed as a single column.
Jim: reader mode is a mechanism
<AWK> content (Web content) information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions
<allanj> WCAG def "content (Web content)" - information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions
jim: content can be displayed as
a single column.
... exceptions: data tables and images?
... will put this in a template.
... in wiki and we can go from there.
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