IRC log of svg-a11y on 2016-07-26
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 26 July 2016
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- Chair: Fred
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- agenda+ Round the table, news, additions for the agenda
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- agenda+ News from SVG WG
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- I called in
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- agenda+ News from ARIA WG
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- agenda+ Publication status
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- agenda+ Changes to SVG-AAM
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- agenda+ Post ARIA 1.1 - Roles
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- FE: No quorum, but a publication update would be helpful.
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- RS: Graphics AAM and dPub AAM have been thrown off course.
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- ... James Craig has raised concerns.
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- ... I need to check with Cynthia about the UIA implementation.
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- ... The Mac API maapings are in there.
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- FE: Want to quickly mention Amelia's changes and the confusion over using two too simiiar terms.
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- s/simiiar/similar/
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- ... Amelia is going to try and use a consistent term, but wanted to make sure there wasn't any subtle difference in meaning between the two terms.
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- ... The terms were "shadow tree" and "shadow DOM".
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- ... in the SVG AAM.
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- ... Are we happy for amelia to make these changes and call it done?
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- RS: What happens if you have <img src="this.svg">?
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- FE: It's just pulled in as a flat image.
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- LW: <use> is the bigger problem case.
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- RS: Will events bubble?
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/svg-aam-shadow-dom/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
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- FE: If SVG allows events to bubble, I think the answer is yes.
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- LW: We should let Amelia figure out the terminology.
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- FE: In 10.5 she uses the phrase "shadow tree".
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/svg-aam-shadow-dom/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_use_shadow_tree
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- https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#UseReUse
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- FE: Can you access the shadow DOM from the parent document?
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- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/querySelector
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- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element/querySelector
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- LW: No, the shadown DOM provides a UI, but you can't access it in the DOM.
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- FE: So how would you do something like change a tabindex of something inside the shadow DOM?
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- LW: You'd have to do it inside the shadow DOM. Don't think you'd be able to do it from an external source.
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- ... Note sure how it works with SVG <use> though.
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- FE: Could be good or bad.
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- RS: Concerned that we have two different terms.
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- FE: They sound like the same thing.
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- LW: We're second guessing someone who isn't here. I'm sure Amelia will figure it out.
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- ... either define two separate terms, or choose a single consistent term.
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- RS: It's better to use shadow DOM instead of shadow tree, beause DOM will fall under DOM level 3 - how you access the DOM, event propagation etc.
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- ... Just using "tree" is less specific.
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- ... So if no event handlers I think the event should bubble up to the parent document.
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- FE: A script would be restricted to the shadow DOM then?
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- RS: Yes, essentially.
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- FE: So is there a way for an external sscript to talk to an internal script?
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- RS: Think there is a query selector, but not sure it works with SVG.
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- FE: What about a script moving focus in there?
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- LJ: No
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- FE: Is there an API?
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- LW: AFAIK encapsulation is a feature of the Web Components/Shadow DOM.
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- FE: What about overlapping SVG?
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- ... If they take up the same space on-screen, which would get the event handler?
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- LW: No idea, but imagine it would do no good.
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- FE: Let's wait till Amelia gets back to figure out the terminology.
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