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18:01:15 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
18:01:15 <trackbot> Date: 26 July 2016
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18:04:49 <LJWatson> Chair: Fred
18:04:56 <LJWatson> Present+ Fred
18:05:03 <LJWatson> present+ Rich
18:06:41 <fesch> agenda+ Round the table, news, additions for the agenda
18:06:57 <fesch> agenda+ News from SVG WG
18:07:15 <Rich> I called in
18:07:27 <fesch> agenda+ News from ARIA WG
18:08:03 <fesch> agenda+ Publication status
18:08:19 <fesch> agenda+ Changes to SVG-AAM
18:08:58 <fesch> agenda+ Post ARIA 1.1 - Roles
18:12:52 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
18:13:10 <LJWatson> FE: No quorum, but a publication update would be helpful.
18:13:58 <LJWatson> RS: Graphics AAM and dPub AAM have been thrown off course.
18:14:22 <LJWatson> ... James Craig has raised concerns.
18:16:40 <LJWatson> ... I need to check with Cynthia about the UIA implementation.
18:16:56 <LJWatson> ... The Mac API maapings are in there.
18:17:19 <LJWatson> FE: Want to quickly mention Amelia's changes and the confusion over using two too simiiar terms.
18:17:36 <LJWatson> s/simiiar/similar/
18:18:02 <LJWatson> ... Amelia is going to try and use a consistent term, but wanted to make sure there wasn't any subtle difference in meaning between the two terms.
18:19:23 <LJWatson> ... The terms were "shadow tree" and "shadow DOM".
18:19:36 <LJWatson> ... in the SVG AAM.
18:20:25 <LJWatson> ... Are we happy for amelia to make these changes and call it done?
18:20:54 <LJWatson> RS: What happens if you have <img src="this.svg">?
18:21:01 <LJWatson> FE: It's just pulled in as a flat image.
18:21:39 <LJWatson> LW: <use> is the bigger problem case.
18:22:06 <LJWatson> RS: Will events bubble?
18:23:17 <fesch> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/svg-aam-shadow-dom/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
18:23:31 <LJWatson> FE: If SVG allows events to bubble, I think the answer is yes.
18:23:50 <LJWatson> LW: We should let Amelia figure out the terminology.
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18:24:24 <LJWatson> FE: In 10.5 she uses the phrase "shadow tree".
18:24:24 <fesch> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/svg-aam-shadow-dom/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_use_shadow_tree
18:26:06 <Rich> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#UseReUse
18:31:46 <LJWatson> FE: Can you access the shadow DOM from the parent document?
18:32:08 <Rich> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/querySelector
18:32:23 <Rich> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element/querySelector
18:32:25 <LJWatson> LW: No, the shadown DOM provides a UI, but you can't access it in the DOM.
18:32:49 <LJWatson> FE: So how would you do something like change a tabindex of something inside the shadow DOM?
18:33:13 <LJWatson> LW: You'd have to do it inside the shadow DOM. Don't think you'd be able to do it from an external source.
18:33:28 <LJWatson> ... Note sure how it works with SVG <use> though.
18:35:23 <LJWatson> FE: Could be good or bad.
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18:36:31 <LJWatson> RS: Concerned that we have two different terms.
18:37:25 <LJWatson> FE: They sound like the same thing.
18:37:43 <LJWatson> LW: We're second guessing someone who isn't here. I'm sure Amelia will figure it out.
18:38:03 <LJWatson> ... either define two separate terms, or choose a single consistent term.
18:45:38 <LJWatson> RS: It's better to use shadow DOM instead of shadow tree, beause DOM will fall under DOM level 3 - how you access the DOM, event propagation etc.
18:45:49 <LJWatson> ... Just using "tree" is less specific.
18:46:10 <LJWatson> ... So if no event handlers I think the event should bubble up to the parent document.
18:46:38 <LJWatson> FE: A script would be restricted to the shadow DOM then?
18:46:44 <LJWatson> RS: Yes, essentially.
18:47:01 <LJWatson> FE: So is there a way for an external sscript to talk to an internal script?
18:47:13 <LJWatson> RS: Think there is a query selector, but not sure it works with SVG.
18:47:20 <LJWatson> FE: What about a script moving focus in there?
18:47:23 <LJWatson> LJ: No
18:48:06 <LJWatson> FE: Is there an API?
18:48:33 <LJWatson> LW: AFAIK encapsulation is a feature of the Web Components/Shadow DOM.
18:50:14 <LJWatson> FE: What about overlapping SVG?
18:50:37 <LJWatson> ... If they take up the same space on-screen, which would get the event handler?
18:50:47 <LJWatson> LW: No idea, but imagine it would do no good.
18:51:03 <LJWatson> FE: Let's wait till Amelia gets back to figure out the terminology.
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