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<Joshue108> Scribe: Joshue
<Joshue108> JB: Its good to see this announcement on WAIIG.
<Joshue108> JB: We have Jason to thank for that, along with Katie.
<Joshue108> JB: Can we talk about how to big up the CAPTCHA question on WAIIG?
<Joshue108> JB: I think if people see the announcement and coversation that would be good.
<Joshue108> JB: May get more traction etc.
<Joshue108> JB: We want to draw others in for a started TF at TPAC.
<Joshue108> JB: Any ideas?
<Ryladog> Suggest asking individual questions
<Ryladog> to memebers
<Joshue108> JB: Can you give examples Katie?
<Ryladog> What particular issues you may have had?
<Ryladog> What have you seenis a very good experine?
<Joshue108> JB: That would be of interest - esp in China.
<Joshue108> JB: Thats good.
<Ryladog> What modalities are we missing?
<Ryladog> yes
<Joshue108> JB: Those are good suggestions Katie, would you be happy to pose those?
<Joshue108> JB: Ty
<Joshue108> TZ: This would be of interest to lots.
<Ryladog> What alternatives to CAPTCHA can you suggest?
<Joshue108> TZ: Also to hear about any positives?
<Joshue108> JB: Janina, Michael could you get Jason into these discussion?
<Joshue108> TZ: There are breakout session etc, that would be successful.
<Ryladog> We could put up aposter andask people to just write a note - that we could discuss in the group
<Joshue108> TZ: For solutions, its depends who is there but internationa aspect is good.
<Joshue108> MC: Put a proposal in the wiki, there is one there, and one on the way - but we need help.
<Joshue108> MC: I support adding it however.
<Joshue108> JB: Tziya would you support if from the dPub angle?
<Ryladog> In a public area, may be in the lunch room, we could put up a poster, with pens attached - to get feedback from all attendees at TPAC
<Joshue108> TZ: A little of topic.
<Joshue108> TZ: But of interest.
<Joshue108> LS: From COGA angle, there are also problems.
<Joshue108> LS: Logging in and identification for example.
<Joshue108> LS: There is a teachable moment here.
<Joshue108> LS: Passwords aer problematic for example..
<Joshue108> LS: Can we broaden the scope?
<Joshue108> LS: There is a huge market here. Over 60s have memory issues for example.
<Joshue108> LS: There is a wider market angle.
<Judy> +1 to Lisa's concept of a teachable moment on cognitive accessibility
<Joshue108> LS: If people think about it.
<Joshue108> JB: The reaserach questions tf could look at this, in terms of problem,solution and wraparound package.
<Ryladog> +1 to Lisa's comment
<Joshue108> LS: COGA has a long issue paper on this.
<Joshue108> LS: There are @alts such as biometrics etc.
<Joshue108> LS: I also have an abstract on technology agnostic architecture.
<Joshue108> JS: For some context..
<Joshue108> JS: We started out with CAPTCHA problem, then that leads into improved authetication.
<Joshue108> JS: There is recognition that we do want a better approach.
<Joshue108> JS: We have discussed this in APA.
<Joshue108> JS: There is a broader issue around security, we need their engagment to develop inclusive platforms.
<Joshue108> JS: We are working in tandem with COGA.
<Joshue108> JS: The immediate problem is the deliverable in APA charter.. PF did publish a note on these issues but it needs updating.
<Joshue108> JS: We should start from that point.
<Joshue108> JS: Dual factor authentication is also a factor.
<Joshue108> JB:Reads Katies comment.
<Joshue108> JS: Katie did you want to say anything more?
<Ryladog> No thanks
<Judy> Katie: We could put up a poster and ask people to just write a note - that we could discuss in the group
<Ryladog> In a public area, may be in the lunch room, we could put up a poster, with pens attached - to get feedback from all attendees at TPAC
<Zakim> Ryladog, you wanted to seemy notes above about putting up a poster to ask people to write in their experiences and ideas
<Joshue108> JB: Shadi?
<Ryladog> Yeah!
<Joshue108> SAZ: In Europe we have the Web A11y directive approved by parliment :-)
<Ryladog> For gov sites right?
<Joshue108> SAZ: It didn't originally cover mobile, but does now.
<Joshue108> SAZ: They have been looking at our work on mobile however.
<Joshue108> SAZ: There is a revision of the EU procurement standard also.
<Joshue108> SAZ: This will start in autumn.
<Joshue108> SAZ: We need to align the timelines, from Mobile TF to other core work.
<Joshue108> SAZ: This is important for uniform adoption.
<Joshue108> SAZ: I'm getting more info at the mo to share with the chairs etc.
<Joshue108> JB: This is mentioned in regard to the upcoming announcement from the WCAG group.
<Joshue108> SAZ: Yes, this is important.
<Joshue108> SAZ: We should mention some specifics in the upcoming work with an emphasis on mobile etc.
<Joshue108> SAZ: There is an optics issue here.
<Joshue108> MC: <speaks delicately> Yes, there is work on a draft annoucement, some requests to modify the core announcement, would have reservations unless the additions are minor.
<Joshue108> JB: Could be useful to break up that message per audience.
<Joshue108> JB: Good to co-ordinate with Katie also.
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say separate announcement if it´s proposing a big change
<Joshue108> SAZ: To add to that, Michael does have a point. We shoud take a step back, reassess etc.
<Joshue108> SAZ: Good to hear what Kathy thinks...
<Joshue108> SAZ: So we are on message.
<Joshue108> JB: We have some pending offers to do articles/blog on the mobile area.
<kathy> I am good
<Joshue108> JB: when the message goes out Michael, Katie, Kathy etc will co-ordinate etc.
<Joshue108> JB: There should be timely links to things on public facing things.
<Joshue108> SAZ: The Mobile A11y page can be updated.
<Joshue108> JB: Good idea.
<Joshue108> JB: Do we need reminders on any that are out for review?
<Joshue108> JB: Michael, anything about ARIA?
<Joshue108> MC: ARIA 1.1 LC working draft (pseudo) is going out tomorrow.
<Joshue108> MC: Maybe issues with the new pub sys.
<Joshue108> JB: The WAIIG, is that the ARIA authoring practices replaces older resources etc.
<Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2016JulSep/0053.html
<scribe> scribenick: tzviya
<Ryladog> There is none at this time
TS: George Kerscher sent email about EPUB A11y documentation
<Ryladog> I thinkthey do need context
<Ryladog> That would be good
JB: I received many emails, but people may need context
TS: I will respond to george's email to WAI IG and give some context and ask some targeted questions to the group
<AWK> +AWK
MC: WCAG Understanding and Notes
published yeterday, COGA FPWD coming soon
... I am drafting announcements
... Should pub announcements go through Katie as well?
JB: Will clarify later, have to look at notes, don't believe it was for formal review but may be helpful to know that it's coming up
LS: We started designing
semantics to support reminders, so that they can be turned
off/on (based on machine and user input)
... and a log - similar to a breadcumb of events
JB: Is this a Task Force FYI?
LS: Working on in COGA
<Lisa_Seeman> we are looking at syntax for reminders and for log information
<Lisa_Seeman> and what infromtion needs be captured for that
JB: Weekly reminders about TPAC in active meetings
AWK: Lisa and I need to talk about COGA meeting and whether that is with/apart from WCAG
JB: TAG/ARIA discussions moving
smoothly
... There is a second a11y issue on TAG list regarding access
key
JS: I don't think there has been activity on that issue recently. I would rely on Leonie if there was any discussion
JB: It would be good to close out the HTML A11y TF if it's not active
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to speak when I don´t have to try to get a word in edgewise
MC: I subscribed to the GitHub issue after Judy mentioned it. It's not clear if it's on TAG agenda for next week yet
<Judy> [JB notes that people are welcome to queue at any time]
JB: This seems to be largely completed
JS: We are done with that
JS: We are overdue to review
CGs
... The agenda is a little lighter now, so we should be able to
get to this soon.
<Ryladog> Virtual?
JB: We spoke about recruiting in WAI IG for VR Workshop. Has that happened?
<Ryladog> I havent yet, buut it is a good idea
<AWK> Do we have a link to the workshop?
<Ryladog> I willdo that
<Ryladog> no
<Ryladog> link
<Ryladog> or Ill look for it
<AWK> This one: https://www.w3.org/2016/06/vr-workshop/
<Ryladog> Perfect thanks Andrew
<Ryladog> Aug 3rd?
<Judy> Any regrets for Aug 3rd?
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