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18:36:04 <Joshue108> Scribe: Joshue
18:36:10 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
18:36:10 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
18:36:11 <Zakim> 8. Liaison needs: Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops with accessibility angles? [from Judy]
18:36:11 <Zakim> 10. Any Task Force updates or coordination questions? [from Judy]
18:36:11 <Zakim> 11. Milestones: Rechecking progress on chartered milestones [from Judy]
18:36:12 <Zakim> 12. Any other business? [from Judy]
18:36:12 <Zakim> 13. Next meeting: date, and requested topics [from Judy]
18:36:39 <Judy> agenda?
18:37:26 <Judy> zakim, clear agenda
18:37:26 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:37:29 <Judy> agenda+ Confirming scribe and any agenda additions
18:37:29 <Judy> agenda+ RQTF: Good to see RQTF/CAPTCHA announcement on WAI IG; ways to promote input into that thread?
18:37:29 <Judy> agenda+ Mobile accessibility progress request relative to EC work
18:37:29 <Judy> agenda+ REVIEWS: Pending inter-group review requests
18:37:30 <Judy> agenda+ PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote?
18:37:30 <Judy> agenda+ TPAC: registration reminders and pre-coord on joint meetings
18:37:32 <Judy> agenda+ TAG/ARIA discussion moving; is APA watching any TAG discussion on access key?
18:37:34 <Judy> agenda+ HTML 5.1 diff reviews nearly set?
18:37:36 <Judy> agenda+ Liaisons: needs in Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops?
18:37:38 <Judy> agenda+ TFs: any TF updates
18:37:39 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:37:41 <Judy> agenda+ Next meeting: date, and requested topics
18:37:48 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 2
18:37:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "RQTF: Good to see RQTF/CAPTCHA announcement on WAI IG; ways to promote input into that thread?" taken up [from Judy]
18:38:07 <Joshue108> JB: Its good to see this announcement on WAIIG.
18:38:20 <Joshue108> JB: We have Jason to thank for that, along with Katie.
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18:38:53 <Joshue108> JB: Can we talk about how to big up the CAPTCHA question on WAIIG?
18:39:10 <Joshue108> JB: I think if people see the announcement and coversation that would be good.
18:39:17 <Joshue108> JB: May get more traction etc.
18:39:37 <Joshue108> JB: We want to draw others in for a started TF at TPAC.
18:39:41 <Joshue108> JB: Any ideas?
18:39:46 <Ryladog> Suggest asking individual questions
18:39:51 <liam> present+ Liam
18:39:55 <Ryladog> to memebers
18:40:03 <Joshue108> JB: Can you give examples Katie?
18:40:10 <Ryladog> What particular issues you may have had?
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18:40:24 <Ryladog> What have you seenis a very good experine?
18:40:26 <kathy> present+ Kathy
18:40:31 <Joshue108> JB: That would be of interest - esp in China.
18:40:47 <Joshue108> JB: Thats good.
18:41:06 <Ryladog> What modalities are we missing?
18:41:08 <tzviya> q+
18:41:08 <Ryladog> yes
18:41:15 <Joshue108> JB: Those are good suggestions Katie, would you be happy to pose those?
18:41:19 <Joshue108> JB: Ty
18:41:40 <Joshue108> TZ: This would be of interest to lots.
18:41:44 <Ryladog> What alternatives to CAPTCHA can you suggest?
18:41:53 <Joshue108> TZ: Also to hear about any positives?
18:42:10 <Joshue108> JB: Janina, Michael could you get Jason into these discussion?
18:42:14 <Lisa_Seeman> Q+
18:42:18 <Judy> agenda?
18:42:25 <Joshue108> TZ: There are breakout session etc, that would be successful.
18:42:26 <Ryladog> We could put up aposter andask people to just write a note - that we could discuss in the group
18:42:46 <tzviya> q-
18:42:47 <Joshue108> TZ: For solutions, its depends who is there but internationa aspect is good.
18:43:25 <Joshue108> MC: Put a proposal in the wiki, there is one there, and one on the way - but we need help.
18:43:33 <Joshue108> MC: I support adding it however.
18:43:51 <Joshue108> JB: Tziya would you support if from the dPub angle?
18:43:52 <Ryladog> In a public area, may be in the lunch room, we could put up a poster, with pens attached - to get feedback from all attendees at TPAC
18:43:58 <Joshue108> TZ: A little of topic.
18:44:01 <Judy> ack judy
18:44:04 <Joshue108> TZ: But of interest.
18:44:09 <janina> q+
18:44:29 <Joshue108> LS: From COGA angle, there are also problems.
18:44:44 <Joshue108> LS: Logging in and identification for example.
18:44:53 <Joshue108> LS: There is a teachable moment here.
18:45:08 <Ryladog> q+ to seemy notes above about putting up a poster to ask people to write in their experiences and ideas
18:45:11 <Joshue108> LS: Passwords aer problematic for example..
18:45:28 <Joshue108> LS: Can we broaden the scope?
18:45:49 <Joshue108> LS: There is a huge market here. Over 60s have memory issues for example.
18:46:03 <Joshue108> LS: There is a wider market angle.
18:46:16 <Judy> +1 to Lisa's concept of a teachable moment on cognitive accessibility
18:46:23 <Joshue108> LS: If people think about it.
18:47:06 <Joshue108> JB: The reaserach questions tf could look at this, in terms of problem,solution and wraparound package.
18:47:08 <Ryladog> +1 to Lisa's comment
18:47:15 <Joshue108> LS: COGA has a long issue paper on this.
18:47:32 <Joshue108> LS: There are @alts such as biometrics etc.
18:47:53 <Joshue108> LS: I also have an abstract on technology agnostic architecture.
18:48:15 <Judy> q?
18:48:22 <Judy> ack l
18:48:51 <Joshue108> JS: For some context..
18:49:09 <Joshue108> JS: We started out with CAPTCHA problem, then that leads into improved authetication.
18:49:26 <Joshue108> JS: There is recognition that we do want a better approach.
18:49:46 <Joshue108> JS: We haev discussed this in APA.
18:50:15 <Joshue108> JS: There is a broader issue around security, we need their engagment to develop inclusive platforms.
18:50:21 <Judy> present+ Judy
18:50:25 <Joshue108> JS: We are working in tandem with COGA.
18:50:55 <Joshue108> JS: The immediate problem is the deliverable in APA charter.. PF did publish a note on these issues but it needs updating.
18:51:02 <Joshue108> JS: We should start from that point.
18:51:25 <Joshue108> JS: Dual factor authentication is also a factor.
18:51:45 <Joshue108> JB:Reads Katies comment.
18:52:17 <Joshue108> JS: Katie did you want to say anything more?
18:52:18 <Ryladog> No thanks
18:52:38 <Joshue108> s/haev/have
18:52:42 <Judy> Katie: We could put up aposter andask people to just write a note - that we could discuss in the group
18:52:47 <Ryladog>  In a public area, may be in the lunch room, we could put up a poster, with pens attached - to get feedback from all attendees at TPAC
18:52:55 <Judy> zakim, drop item 1
18:52:55 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirming scribe and any agenda additions, dropped
18:52:56 <Joshue108> s/aposter andask/a poster and ask
18:53:00 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:53:00 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
18:53:04 <Judy> q?
18:53:08 <Judy> ack j
18:53:09 <Judy> ack r
18:53:09 <Zakim> Ryladog, you wanted to seemy notes above about putting up a poster to ask people to write in their experiences and ideas
18:53:15 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:53:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile accessibility progress request relative to EC work" taken up [from Judy]
18:53:26 <Joshue108> JB: Shadi?
18:54:00 <Ryladog> Yeah!
18:54:06 <Joshue108> SAZ: In Europe we have the Web A11y directive approved by parliment :-)
18:54:10 <Ryladog> For gov sites right?
18:54:33 <Joshue108> SAZ: It didn't originally cover mobile, but does now.
18:54:48 <Joshue108> SAZ: They have been looking at our work on mobile however.
18:55:07 <Joshue108> SAZ: There is a revision of the EU procurement standard also.
18:55:15 <Joshue108> SAZ: This will start in autumn.
18:55:33 <Joshue108> SAZ: We need to align the timelines, from Mobile TF to other core work.
18:55:47 <Judy> ack j
18:55:49 <Joshue108> SAZ: This is important for uniform adoption.
18:56:00 <Judy> q+ Janina
18:56:20 <Joshue108> SAZ: I'm getting more info at the mo to share with the chairs etc.
18:56:35 <Judy> ack j
18:57:07 <Joshue108> JB: This is mentioned in regard to the upcoming announcement from the WCAG group.
18:57:14 <Joshue108> SAZ: Yes, this is important.
18:57:29 <MichaelC> q+ to say separate announcement if it´s proposing a big change
18:57:34 <Joshue108> SAZ: We should mention some specifics in the upcoming work with an emphasis on mobile etc.
18:57:45 <Joshue108> SAZ: There is an optics issue here.
18:59:12 <Joshue108> MC: <speaks delicately> Yes, there is work on a draft annoucement, some requests to modify the core announcement, would have reservations unless the additions are minor.
19:00:28 <Joshue108> JB: Could be useful to break up that message per audience.
19:00:45 <Joshue108> JB: Good to co-ordinate with Katie also.
19:00:54 <Judy> ack M
19:00:54 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say separate announcement if it´s proposing a big change
19:01:07 <Judy> agenda?
19:01:12 <Joshue108> SAZ: To add to that, Michael does have a point. We shoud take a step back, reassess etc.
19:01:26 <Joshue108> SAZ: Good to hear what Kathy thinks...
19:01:35 <Joshue108> SAZ: So we are on message.
19:01:58 <Joshue108> JB: We have some pending offers to do articles/blog on the mobile area.
19:02:00 <kathy> I am good
19:02:15 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:02:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "REVIEWS: Pending inter-group review requests" taken up [from Judy]
19:02:46 <Joshue108> JB: when the message goes out Michael, Katie, Kathy etc will co-ordinate etc.
19:03:02 <Joshue108> JB: There should be timely links to things on public facing things.
19:03:10 <Joshue108> SAZ: The Mobile A11y page can be updated.
19:03:23 <Joshue108> JB: Good idea.
19:03:39 <Joshue108> JB: Do we need reminders on any that are out for review?
19:03:57 <Joshue108> JB: Michael, anything about ARIA?
19:04:28 <Joshue108> MC: ARIA 1.1 LC working draft (pseudo) is going out tomorrow.
19:04:35 <Joshue108> MC: Maybe issues with the new pub sys.
19:04:36 <tzviya> q+ to mention EPUB A11y
19:04:56 <Joshue108> JB: The WAIIG, is that the ARIA authoring practices replaces older resources etc.
19:05:04 <Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2016JulSep/0053.html
19:05:38 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
19:05:54 <Ryladog> There is none at this time
19:06:07 <tzviya> TS: George Kerscher sent email about EPUB A11y documentation
19:06:11 <Ryladog> I thinkthey do need context
19:06:25 <Ryladog> That would be good
19:06:30 <tzviya> JB: I received many emails, but people may need context
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19:07:58 <tzviya> TS: I will respond to george's email to WAI IG and give some context and ask some targeted questions to the group
19:08:00 <AWK> +AWK
19:08:32 <tzviya> q-
19:08:44 <Judy> agenda?
19:08:54 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:08:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote?" taken up [from Judy]
19:10:05 <tzviya> MC: WCAG Understanding and Notes published yeterday, COGA FPWD coming soon
19:10:30 <tzviya> MC: I am drafting announcements
19:10:45 <tzviya> ...Should pub announcements go through Katie as well?
19:11:33 <tzviya> JB: Will clarify later, have to look at notes
19:12:14 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
19:13:44 <tzviya> LS: We started designing semantics to support reminders, so that they can be turned off/on (based on machine and user input)
19:13:51 <Judy> s/at notes/at notes, don't believe it was for formal review but may be helpful to know that it's coming up/
19:14:12 <tzviya> ...and a log - similar to a breadcumb of events
19:14:28 <tzviya> JB: Is this a Task Force FYI?
19:15:04 <tzviya> LS: Working on in COGA
19:15:14 <Judy> zakim, take up item 6
19:15:14 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC: registration reminders and pre-coord on joint meetings" taken up [from Judy]
19:15:19 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
19:15:19 <Zakim> agendum 4, REVIEWS: Pending inter-group review requests, closed
19:15:20 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:15:20 <Zakim> 5. PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote? [from Judy]
19:15:22 <Judy> zakim, close item 5
19:15:22 <Zakim> agendum 5, PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote?, closed
19:15:22 <Lisa_Seeman> we are looking at syntax for reminders and for log information
19:15:24 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:15:24 <Zakim> 6. TPAC: registration reminders and pre-coord on joint meetings [from Judy]
19:15:33 <Lisa_Seeman> and what infromtion needs be captured for that
19:16:08 <tzviya> JB: Weekly reminders about TPAC in active meetings
19:16:47 <tzviya> AWK: Lisa and I need to talk about COGA meeting and whether that is with/apart from WCAG
19:18:18 <Judy> agenda?
19:18:29 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:18:29 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
19:18:47 <tzviya> JB: TAG/ARIA discussions moving smoothly
19:19:11 <tzviya> ...There is a second a11y issue on TAG list regarding access-key
19:19:39 <tzviya> s/access-key/access key
19:20:23 <tzviya> JS: I don't think there has been activity on that issue recently. I would rely on Leonie if there was any discussion
19:20:28 <MichaelC> q+ to speak when I don´t have to try to get a word in edgewise
19:20:39 <tzviya> JB: It would be good to close out the HTML A11y TF if it's not active
19:21:20 <Judy> q?
19:21:25 <Judy> ack l
19:21:27 <Judy> ack m
19:21:27 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to speak when I don´t have to try to get a word in edgewise
19:21:27 <tzviya> MC: I subscribed to the GitHub issue after Judy mentioned it. It's not clear if it's on TAG agenda for next week yet
19:21:40 <Judy> agenda?
19:22:22 <Lisa_Seeman> ack me
19:22:30 <tzviya> zakim, take up item 8
19:22:30 <Zakim> agendum 8. "HTML 5.1 diff reviews nearly set?" taken up [from Judy]
19:22:38 <Judy> [JB notes that people are welcome to queue at any time]
19:22:43 <tzviya> JB: This seems to be largely completed
19:22:51 <tzviya> JS: We are done with that
19:23:01 <tzviya> zakim, take up item 9
19:23:01 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Liaisons: needs in Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops?" taken up [from Judy]
19:23:14 <tzviya> JS: We are overdue to review CGs
19:23:52 <tzviya> ...The agenda is a little lighter now, so we should be able to get to this soon.
19:24:21 <Ryladog> Virtual?
19:25:57 <tzviya> JB: We spoke about recruiting in WAI IG for VR Workshop. Has that happened?
19:26:24 <Ryladog> I havent yet, buut it is a good idea
19:26:24 <AWK> Do we have a link to the workshop?
19:26:29 <Ryladog> I willdo that
19:26:55 <Ryladog> no
19:26:58 <Ryladog> link
19:27:04 <Ryladog> or Ill look for it
19:27:14 <AWK> This one: https://www.w3.org/2016/06/vr-workshop/
19:27:36 <Ryladog> Perfect thanks Andrew
19:27:47 <tzviya> zakim, next item
19:27:47 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC: registration reminders and pre-coord on joint meetings" taken up [from Judy]
19:27:54 <tzviya> zakim, take up item 10
19:27:54 <Zakim> agendum 10. "TFs: any TF updates" taken up [from Judy]
19:28:22 <tzviya> zakim, take up item 12
19:28:22 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Next meeting: date, and requested topics" taken up [from Judy]
19:28:25 <Ryladog> Aug 3rd?
19:29:07 <Judy> Any regrets for Aug 3rd?
19:29:32 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
19:29:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/20-waicc-minutes.html tzviya
19:29:42 <Ryladog> bye
19:30:07 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
19:30:53 <tzviya> zakim, bye
19:30:53 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Judy_Brewer, Josh_O'Connor, Fred_Esch, Tzviya, Katie, Haritos-Shea, Kim, Patch, Joshue108, Liam,
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19:30:56 <Zakim> ... fesch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Wilco, George, Jim, accessibility_gods, AWK, MichaelC, Katie_Haritos-Shea, shadi, Brent, Lisa_Seeman, Kathy
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