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<deirdrelee> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribenick: phila
<deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520
deirdrelee: Quite a calm meeting
after the last few weeks' work.
... Latest versions of all three docs have been published
<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
deirdrelee: So now we need to plann from here to the end which is soon
+1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<hadleybeeman> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
<yaso> +'
<yaso> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
<newton> +1
<deirdrelee> APPROVED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
REOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ DWBP
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/ DQV
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/ DUV
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
-> https://twitter.com/w3c/status/733303835737743360 W3C's tweet
<hadleybeeman> phil: More excitingly, the response we've had on twitter.
<hadleybeeman> ...This particular tweet was RTed by someone at Bibliotheque National Francais... Phil Ashlock and data.gov.
<BernadetteLoscio> that's great :)
<hadleybeeman> ...We've had little interaction with them on this work, so I'm really pleased they are engaging.
<hadleybeeman> ...The rest of us have got varying levels of support, which is also good.
<hadleybeeman> ...Good reaction so far.
deirdrelee: Before we go on... the comment from PY on content nego
<hadleybeeman> phila: Yeah — there's nothing to negotiate. IN the namespace of both docs, at the moment, is just the TTL file.
<deirdrelee> https://twitter.com/pyvandenbussche/status/733631531193884672
<hadleybeeman> ...Yes, it would be good if there were an HTML representation of each as well. That's up to the editors.
deirdrelee: Overall, congrats to everyone, especially the editors
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot! we're really happy!
<yaso> Muted, hadleybeeman :-)
deirdrelee: Versions we now have
are Last Call (sic)
... Need to get BP doc to CR
... 2 months is tight
... Call for comments incldues deadline of 12 June
... last 2 stages are to gather those final comments and then
get implementation reports
... Don't have to be sequentially. We can gather reports
now.
... Need a good process for handling comments.
... How to we address and record comments, record
implementations
BernadetteLoscio: ack b
... We're really happy with the results
... It was hard work but it was worth it. The doc looks really
good.
... Much more stable. I don't expect big changes now.
... Some stuff we want to do. The example we want to add of a
visualisation
... we didn't have time before now. Maybe some minor
improvements
... As for process of recording comments. Do we need to use the
tracker or can we use a differnet way?
<newton> My suggestion is to use the github issue tracker
<deirdrelee> phila: you don't have to use comment tracker
<hadleybeeman> phila: What you did before was great.
<deirdrelee> ...what you did for the previous comments in wiki is really good and structured
phila: Things to record: the
comment
... the commenter
... the resolution
... the implementation
the message sent to the commentator
scribe: and the reply...
<hadleybeeman> phila: Hopefully we can also point to them saying "great thanks."
<hadleybeeman> ...You're building up the Disposition of Comments, which is the most important thing the Director will want to see when we get to the Candidate Rec call.
<hadleybeeman> ...That's a formal call that happens with the editors, the chairs, me and the Director (probably Philippe le Hagret)
<hadleybeeman> ...This is how you get INTO CR.
<hadleybeeman> ...He's checking the process has been met. Including wide review.
BernadetteLoscio: I think we prefer the wiki as we did before
phila: That's fine
BernadetteLoscio: We'll need help
to resolve some comments.
... We'll need to solve things between us.
... Before we reply to the commentator.
... It was great when we were preparing hte last draft as we
had a lot of interqaction that made the process more
productive
... I think we will need to have more discussions
deirdrelee: Two other thimngs to
decide today - how we're going top get these comments? What are
our individual responsibilities?
... We need as many comments as possible. We ned to show that
people have looked at it and are happy with it.
... We have 12/6 as the deadline. We can hope for comments from
now onwards.
... So, everyone, how are going to plan promotion?
... ANd the time plan. How can we get this done?
BernadetteLoscio: I think we
should address the comments as soonas they arrive. We'll work
in the coming weeks to do this.
... We don't want to wait until the end of the comment
period.
deirdrelee: Should we be more targeted?
hadleybeeman: I'm looking through my mailing lists that I sent GLD LC e-mails to.
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee
deirdrelee: We need to not spam
people. I'll create a wiki page to keep a record of where we're
promoting this.
... Do we need a standard e-mail?
<newton> +1
BernadetteLoscio: I like the idea of a standard message.
<scribe> ACTION: deirdrelee to draft standard e-mail that people can use to call for comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - Draft standard e-mail that people can use to call for comments [on Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-27].
laufer: I think the text in the W3C news item is pretty useful
deirdrelee: I'll use that as the basis, and add the dates etc.
hadleybeeman: I'd also suggest including a little one sentence of what each doc is meant to be that we can steal from the charter.
<yaso> o/
deirdrelee: It's up to all of us
to promote it.
... retweet etc.
hadleybeeman: I'll send round an e-mail with the lists I sent to.
deirdrelee: Or the wiki page?
hadleybeeman: Sure
BernadetteLoscio: one question. If we send a message in Brazil, it's OK to be in Portguese.
phila: Yes.
laufer: Are you thinking of sending this message to...?
<laufer> BernadetteLoscio: are you thinking in sending to the sbc list?
BernadetteLoscio: We can have a standard message in PT
<newton> @phila do you think it's ok to send it to the semantic web list? Or it's not a good idea, like the cfp.?
<laufer> @BernadetteLoscio: if you will send to the sbc list I will not do so. I can send to the ihc list too.
<newton> Ok ;)
phila: Please don't ask me to send a mesage to semweb or lof lists ;-)
deirdrelee: is it one cmapiagn for comments and implementations or two.
riccardoAlbertoni: I'm all for multiple languages - but what about the replies?
deirdrelee: If we get comments in PT then there'll be a translated record.
<antoine> I would not put it in multiple languages. This is a lot of efforts, and for not much. If someone is not able to read the English email they won't be tempted by the (much much longer) English document.
BernadetteLoscio: Having the same
campaign - I think it's better to have two separate messages
because we can be more focussed when we ask for
implementations.
... I started a spreadsheet that we started in the f2F with
names and contacts in institutions to aks for
implementations
<deirdrelee> not multiple languages antoine, only english and portuguese
BernadetteLoscio: we were also discussing in April, we have calls about Web Services with Carol and Newton. The approach for asking for implementations is different so I'm for keeping them separate.
<antoine> ok deirdrelee
phila: No harm in saying that we'll be asking for implemenbtations
<deirdrelee> s/implemnbtations/implementations
phila: We need a clear idea what we mean by implementation for a BP.
deirdrelee: The tests are there
and area good starting point.
... We can see if they apply as implementations
... Some tests might be difficult but most are pretty
clear.
BernadetteLoscio: Maybe we can
ask for examples
... They need to fill in a form? We can offer examples of what
we mean?
<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report-template
BernadetteLoscio: The form - similar to the one that Mobile Web did
phila: The table that recoreds implementations
BernadetteLoscio: So we could provide examples on that page to help people
<BernadetteLoscio> About each BP Completed relevant Mostly relevant Some what relevant Not relevant Overall What is your opinion on the BPs Are the BPs clear to read? Are the BPs easier or difficult to read? difficult ------ easier
BernadetteLoscio: Our idea is to
use this opprtunity to ask for things like
... Our idea is to also ask for implementayions and opinions,
if they were relevant or not. Overall questions about the
doc.
... Are they are clear, easy to read etc.
... That's not part of the CR process but it's an
opportunity.
... We were thinking of sending a message explaining what we
want
... If we have feedback from people saying they want to
implement the Bps then we can send a form and follow up
deirdrelee: For campaign no. 1
we'll kick that off now, asking for comments on all three
docs.
... And say that we will soon be asking for implementation
reports.
... We'll create a grid like the WMBP doc
phila: I'd be inclined to create that grid ASAP and put it in the GH repo
BernadetteLoscio: Yep.
deirdrelee: We need to close all open issues and actions before CR
<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
issue-153?
<trackbot> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153
BernadetteLoscio: Not sure what Eric meant. I'll talk to Eric about it.
issue-221?
<trackbot> issue-221 -- What is the importance of the alignment between hcls-dataset and dqv/duv? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221
riccardoAlbertoni: I think it's
still open. I know antoine has had a discussion with one of the
HCLS folks but we haven't yet solved this issue. Same applies
to next issue. We have 2 options and we have yet to decide
which to follow.
... We can try and work on these next week.
issue-234?
<trackbot> issue-234 -- Role of Usage Tool -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
BernadetteLoscio: This is also sometehing I#m trying to find whetehr we have a resolution. Again, I need to talk to Eric.
issue-251?
<trackbot> issue-251 -- Open issues on Data Preservation Section -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/251
deirdrelee: Are these things that we're looking for comments on?
BernadetteLoscio: Yes, we can
close these. We have comments on the wiki about that, changes
in the doc etc. ahead of the yesterday's publication. We looked
at all those
... We can include links from the comments table to prove
it
Topic; Actions
<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
deirdrelee: Some of these are from the f2F and before
action-148
<trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148
<yaso> it's done
<yaso> I sent an email for the group with this
BernadetteLoscio: I can't remember what the follow up was
yaso: I sent an e-mail after the
F2F. Don't remember if there was an answer.
... I used something from the Commission Core Vocs.
deirdrelee: So will put in a link to your e-mail and close the action?
<yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0143.html
<yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0152.html
<yaso> antoine's reply
<yaso> ok, no problem
yaso: OK, I'll actually add the text to the Bp doc
action-208?
<trackbot> action-208 -- Antoine Isaac to Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208
<antoine> continues but now is the time :-)
deirdrelee: Leave that open then
action-210?
<trackbot> action-210 -- Eric Stephan to Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation -- due 2016-04-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
riccardoAlbertoni: We didn't
progress on that I think. That's one for Eric really
... Probably doesn't make sense anymore
<antoine> [I prepared for this one!] We never had the time to really wrap up this. And I don’t know if I’m tempted. There was a sentence on how on DUV and DQV follow another BP, but it’s been removed in the last edits because it made the text already too long. Where would the paragraph in action-227 sit?
riccardoAlbertoni: for me it can be closed. I can write to Eric and ask if it can be closed.
<antoine> oops sorry wrong ACTION:-)
action-227?
<trackbot> action-227 -- Antoine Isaac to Work with eric s on writing section on evolution of duv wrt reuse of namespaces etc. -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227
action-229?
<trackbot> action-229 -- Phil Archer to Send bp editors implementation-questionaire template -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
phila: Happy to turn that into helping with the new CR implemenation grid doc
close action-229
<trackbot> Closed action-229.
<scribe> ACTION: phila to work on implementation grid [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-281 - Work on implementation grid [on Phil Archer - due 2016-05-27].
action-231?
<trackbot> action-231 -- Annette Greiner to Talk to eric wilde about open comments and reach resolution -- due 2016-02-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231
BernadetteLoscio: Annete spoke to him. We sent several messages but he didn't reply. I don't think there's more we can do.
deirdrelee: Are the comments closed?
BernadetteLoscio: We sent several messages, resolutions etc. No reply.
close action-231
<trackbot> Closed action-231.
<riccardoAlbertoni> I think we can close Action-251 ..
action-233?
<trackbot> action-233 -- Newton Calegari to Check if the turtle and rdfa examples are validated -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233
BernadetteLoscio: We did this for the last draft
close action-233
<trackbot> Closed action-233.
action-249?
<trackbot> action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051 from eric wilde (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
action-239;?
<trackbot> action-239 -- Peter Winstanley to Check on using an example about real-time data for bp23 -- due 2016-03-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239
deirdrelee: I think he did that which is related to my actions
BernadetteLoscio: Yep, we have an example now
close action-239
<trackbot> Closed action-239.
action-249
<trackbot> action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051 from eric wilde (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
BernadetteLoscio: That was answered
close action-249
<trackbot> Closed action-249.
action-250
<trackbot> action-250 -- Newton Calegari to Update the config on respec with the public mailing address and answer comment lc-3062 (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150625/3062) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/250
BernadetteLoscio: That was done
close action-250
<trackbot> Closed action-250.
riccardoAlbertoni: action-251 can be closed as I have provided an example to Eric
close action-251
<trackbot> Closed action-251.
action-264?
<trackbot> action-264 -- Phil Archer to Ensure that the bp doc refers to the example for representing precision and accuracy in the dqv -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/264
action-275
<trackbot> action-275 -- Deirdre Lee to Help with the example of bp http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi -- due 2016-05-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/275
deirdrelee: I did that
close action-275
<trackbot> Closed action-275.
action-276
<trackbot> action-276 -- Deirdre Lee to Enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today -- due 2016-05-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/276
deirdrelee: I did that too
close action-276
<trackbot> Closed action-276.
<BernadetteLoscio> ok ;)
deirdrelee: More of the same next
week folks
... I'll get a draft e-mail and mailing list sorted
<laufer> bye all. happy weekend.
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!