IRC log of auto-wcag on 2016-05-19

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13:44:58 [Wilco]
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13:45:07 [Wilco]
hi Shadi
13:47:03 [shadi]
hi wilco
13:47:33 [Wilco]
ahh right, going out or coming back?
13:48:59 [shadi]
no - just arrived in luxemburg for EC project review tomorrow
13:49:11 [shadi]
sorry i did not manage to work on the wiki pages :(
13:49:23 [shadi]
good that you sent out the agenda anyway
13:49:30 [shadi]
i was too optimistic about my time
13:49:41 [shadi]
have you seen our videos, though?
13:49:49 [shadi]
that was eating all my time...
13:49:54 [Wilco]
absolutely! they're awesome
13:50:04 [Wilco]
how has the reception been?
13:50:58 [shadi]
great so far!
13:50:59 [shadi]
i'm soooo relieved
13:51:11 [Wilco]
that is good
13:51:12 [shadi]
no wish me the best for the review tomorrow, then i'm alllll yours :)
13:51:39 [shadi]
s/no wish me the best for the review tomorrow, then i'm alllll yours :)/
14:00:09 [shadi]
chair: Wilco
14:00:37 [shadi]
meeting: Auto-WCAG Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) discussion
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present: Wilco, Shadi
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present+ David
14:01:57 [shadi]
regrets: Moe, Makoto
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present+ Annika
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present+ Chiru
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14:09:36 [Wilco]
https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing_for_W3C#Organization
14:10:21 [Judy]
scribe: David
14:11:10 [Judy]
present+ Judy
14:11:18 [Judy]
present+ Wilco
14:11:30 [cpandhi]
present+ Charu
14:11:30 [Judy]
present+ David
14:12:09 [Judy]
present+ George
14:12:09 [shadi]
present+ George
14:12:21 [shadi]
present+ Romain
14:12:34 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:12:34 [Zakim]
Present: Wilco, Shadi, David, Annika, Chiru, Judy, Charu, George, Romain
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14:13:37 [David]
Wilco: Updates to proposal. Organization section.
14:14:32 [David]
Judy: Informed WAI that Auto WCAG would like to be a task force under WCAG. We will need to address concern for resources.
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14:15:56 [David]
Judy: We are lacking a clearer description of what we propose to build.
14:17:12 [David]
Wilco: Agreed. We need more concrete plan to proceed.
14:18:23 [EmmaPR]
Hi @shadi ... what is the password to join today?
14:18:39 [EmmaPR]
Thanks
14:19:27 [David]
Judy: We need to be able to express exactly what we are building. For example, is it a specification or a repository.
14:19:36 [shadi]
present+ Emma
14:20:11 [David]
Wilco: We need some flexibility. The rules could be viewed as a repository. It could be a specification. It could be a wiki.
14:20:31 [shadi]
[[
14:20:33 [shadi]
#1. A spec defining the framework (format, logic, any conformance requirements) for the tests -- this is to happen in a TF or WG.
14:20:33 [shadi]
#2. A validation approach and content for validating the tests. This would happen openly in auto-WCAG in accordance to the above spec.
14:20:33 [shadi]
#3. The repository of actual tests that meet the specification and validation checks. Also this is to happen openly in auto-WCAG.
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]]
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14:22:03 [David]
Shadi: Shares possible deliverables for consideration on IRC
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14:23:22 [Judy]
q+
14:23:26 [David]
wilco + david: agree with shadi
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14:24:34 [David]
Judy: We should lock down those target deliverables and provide a few examples.
14:25:25 [David]
Wilco: we should be able to draw from existing content to provide the examples.
14:26:30 [Judy]
q+
14:26:50 [David]
shadi: task force or charter?
14:27:57 [shadi_]
ack j
14:27:58 [David]
judy: task force work statement is what has been discussed in the past
14:28:20 [David]
wilco: agreed, task force model is probably best
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14:31:58 [David]
david: Do we clarify the existing deliverable statement in the wiki to include better description of the form of deliverables and provide examples?
14:32:14 [David]
Wilco: yes, I think that is the direction
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14:34:37 [David]
Judy: Need to make sure there is visibility into the level of commitment to the group.
14:35:22 [annika]
q+
14:35:48 [David]
Judy: Are there organizations willing to make public commitments to the group and either contribute rules to repository or commit to using the rules in practice
14:35:56 [EmmaPR]
For me, I think that might be both use what auto-wcag produces and possibly contribute to its development
14:36:12 [shadi]
+1 emma
14:37:19 [annika]
ack me
14:37:19 [shadi]
q+ judy
14:37:50 [David]
wilco: Working to see if Deque would be able to leverage the repository in some fashion within the Axe suite.
14:39:20 [cpandhi]
q+
14:39:48 [David]
annika: What is the relationship between the proposed task force and the auto-wcag group.
14:40:16 [rdeltour]
q+
14:40:45 [David]
wilco: auto wcag will continue to work on the rules while the specification and validation specification would be the work of the task force
14:41:19 [shadi]
ack j
14:42:11 [shadi]
+1 to graphic idea!
14:43:41 [David]
judy: there are massive rule sets out there which we can help bridge under this effort and we need to be sure to articulate when and how that happens
14:43:48 [David]
wilco: would make a great graphic
14:43:57 [David]
bbc: we will leverage the rules!
14:44:37 [shadi]
s/bbc/emma
14:45:04 [shadi]
ack cp
14:45:09 [shadi]
q+
14:45:38 [Judy]
q?
14:45:43 [shadi]
ack me
14:46:19 [Judy]
q+
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ack j
14:47:39 [shadi]
q+
14:48:42 [Judy]
+1 to Romain's concern about precision of the deliverables
14:48:58 [Judy]
q?
14:49:01 [David]
ramon?: Deliverables can be clarified to indicate what is a specification, what is a tech note, what is rec...
14:49:02 [Judy]
q+
14:51:07 [shadi]
+1 to Romain
14:51:23 [David]
romain: Walked the call through a few of the bullets under the deliverable section, indicating what is a tech note, or recommendation, or specification
14:51:23 [EmmaPR]
q+
14:51:34 [shadi]
ack rd
14:53:05 [Judy]
q+
14:53:09 [Judy]
ack sha
14:53:27 [David]
shadi: leaning towards red track for the core spec, but we need to examine this more closely. Also, the term "test rules" seems to imply automated only. Should we consider a broader term that is inclusive of non-automated?
14:54:15 [shadi]
ack ju
14:54:55 [Judy]
q- later
14:55:25 [shadi]
ack em
14:57:38 [David]
emma: bbc is considering semi-automated and manual templates in their own efforts
14:57:42 [shadi]
[+1 want to avoid terminology that may restrict us later on]
14:58:13 [David]
wilco: a rule should not imply a particular level of automation
14:59:14 [shadi]
[I really don't know if "rules" has any implications regarding automation or not]
14:59:34 [Judy]
[JB: BTW, Shadi was right with regard to team resources for community groups; after I got the exception for the proposal development stage of this CG work, W3M (w3c management) re-visited the question and broadened the terms for allowing team contact support.]
14:59:39 [David]
judy: perhaps we speak of rules and "procedures" which may better represent the human testing
14:59:40 [Judy]
q+ George
14:59:43 [Judy]
ack J
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ack g
15:00:24 [David]
George: Sample pages to demonstrate how the rule works - yielding success and failure cases
15:00:57 [Judy]
s/rules and "procedures"/"test rules and procedures"/
15:01:01 [David]
wilco: such samples can be treated as supporting content for a rule
15:01:18 [Judy]
s/better represent/also help encompass/
15:01:25 [rdeltour]
q+
15:01:47 [rdeltour]
q- then ;-)
15:01:51 [rdeltour]
q-
15:02:30 [Judy]
topic: Next Meeting
15:03:02 [David]
wilco: Next meeting in 2 weeks
15:03:51 [David]
judy: encouraged by idea of better defining deliverables, grabbing commitments to rule sets, commitments to use what we create.
15:05:44 [David]
Digital publishing announcement of combining with W3C - potential for our work to apply to other forms of content such as ePub, PDF etc.
15:06:45 [David]
annika: voluteers to work on task force work
15:06:54 [David]
shadi: agrees with all of the above
15:07:06 [David]
Wilco: have a good weekend!
15:07:43 [rdeltour]
+1 on the collective final thoughts!
15:07:59 [Judy]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html Judy
15:08:48 [shadi]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html shadi
15:10:24 [Judy]
present- Chiru
15:10:39 [Judy]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html Judy
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sorry to have missed the call today, unavoidable last minute meeting
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very best,
15:13:22 [John_HICKS]
John
15:15:53 [David]
s/Next meeting in 2 weeks/Next meeting on June 2
15:16:48 [David]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html David
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