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13:45:07 <Wilco> hi Shadi
13:47:03 <shadi> hi wilco
13:47:33 <Wilco> ahh right, going out or coming back?
13:48:59 <shadi> no - just arrived in luxemburg for EC project review tomorrow
13:49:11 <shadi> sorry i did not manage to work on the wiki pages :(
13:49:23 <shadi> good that you sent out the agenda anyway
13:49:30 <shadi> i was too optimistic about my time
13:49:41 <shadi> have you seen our videos, though?
13:49:49 <shadi> that was eating all my time...
13:49:54 <Wilco> absolutely! they're awesome
13:50:04 <Wilco> how has the reception been?
13:50:58 <shadi> great so far!
13:50:59 <shadi> i'm soooo relieved
13:51:11 <Wilco> that is good
13:51:12 <shadi> no wish me the best for the review tomorrow, then i'm alllll yours :)
13:51:39 <shadi> s/no wish me the best for the review tomorrow, then i'm alllll yours :)/
14:00:09 <shadi> chair: Wilco
14:00:37 <shadi> meeting: Auto-WCAG Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) discussion
14:00:46 <shadi> present: Wilco, Shadi
14:01:16 <shadi> present+ David
14:01:57 <shadi> regrets: Moe, Makoto
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14:05:32 <shadi> present+ Annika
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14:09:36 <Wilco> https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing_for_W3C#Organization
14:10:21 <Judy> scribe: David
14:11:10 <Judy> present+ Judy
14:11:18 <Judy> present+ Wilco
14:11:30 <cpandhi> present+ Charu
14:11:30 <Judy> present+ David
14:12:09 <Judy> present+ George
14:12:09 <shadi> present+ George
14:12:21 <shadi> present+ Romain
14:12:34 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:12:34 <Zakim> Present: Wilco, Shadi, David, Annika, Chiru, Judy, Charu, George, Romain
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14:13:37 <David> Wilco: Updates to proposal. Organization section.
14:14:32 <David> Judy: Informed WAI that Auto WCAG would like to be a task force under WCAG. We will need to address concern for resources.
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14:15:56 <David> Judy: We are lacking a clearer description of what we propose to build.
14:17:12 <David> Wilco: Agreed. We need more concrete plan to proceed.
14:18:23 <EmmaPR> Hi @shadi ... what is the password to join today?
14:18:39 <EmmaPR> Thanks
14:19:27 <David> Judy: We need to be able to express exactly what we are building. For example, is it a specification or a repository.
14:19:36 <shadi> present+ Emma
14:20:11 <David> Wilco: We need some flexibility. The rules could be viewed as a repository. It could be a specification. It could be a wiki.
14:20:31 <shadi> [[
14:20:33 <shadi> #1. A spec defining the framework (format, logic, any conformance requirements) for the tests -- this is to happen in a TF or WG.
14:20:33 <shadi> #2. A validation approach and content for validating the tests. This would happen openly in auto-WCAG in accordance to the above spec.
14:20:33 <shadi> #3. The repository of actual tests that meet the specification and validation checks. Also this is to happen openly in auto-WCAG.
14:20:35 <shadi> ]]
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14:22:03 <David> Shadi: Shares possible deliverables for consideration on IRC
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14:23:22 <Judy> q+
14:23:26 <David> wilco + david: agree with shadi
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14:24:34 <David> Judy: We should lock down those target deliverables and provide a few examples.
14:25:25 <David> Wilco: we should be able to draw from existing content to provide the examples.
14:26:30 <Judy> q+
14:26:50 <David> shadi: task force or charter?
14:27:57 <shadi_> ack j
14:27:58 <David> judy: task force work statement is what has been discussed in the past
14:28:20 <David> wilco: agreed, task force model is probably best
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14:31:58 <David> david: Do we clarify the existing deliverable statement in the wiki to include better description of the form of deliverables and provide examples?
14:32:14 <David> Wilco: yes, I think that is the direction
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14:34:37 <David> Judy: Need to make sure there is visibility into the level of commitment to the group.
14:35:22 <annika> q+
14:35:48 <David> Judy: Are there organizations willing to make public commitments to the group and either contribute rules to repository or commit to using the rules in practice
14:35:56 <EmmaPR> For me, I think that might be both use what auto-wcag produces and possibly contribute to its development
14:36:12 <shadi> +1 emma
14:37:19 <annika> ack me
14:37:19 <shadi> q+ judy
14:37:50 <David> wilco: Working to see if Deque would be able to leverage the repository in some fashion within the Axe suite.
14:39:20 <cpandhi> q+
14:39:48 <David> annika: What is the relationship between the proposed task force and the auto-wcag group.
14:40:16 <rdeltour> q+
14:40:45 <David> wilco: auto wcag will continue to work on the rules while the specification and validation specification would be the work of the task force
14:41:19 <shadi> ack j
14:42:11 <shadi> +1 to graphic idea!
14:43:41 <David> judy: there are massive rule sets out there which we can help bridge under this effort and we need to be sure to articulate when and how that happens
14:43:48 <David> wilco: would make a great graphic
14:43:57 <David> bbc: we will leverage the rules!
14:44:37 <shadi> s/bbc/emma
14:45:04 <shadi> ack cp
14:45:09 <shadi> q+
14:45:38 <Judy> q?
14:45:43 <shadi> ack me
14:46:19 <Judy> q+
14:47:08 <shadi> ack j
14:47:39 <shadi> q+
14:48:42 <Judy> +1 to Romain's concern about precision of the deliverables
14:48:58 <Judy> q?
14:49:01 <David> ramon?: Deliverables can be clarified to indicate what is a specification, what is a tech note, what is rec...
14:49:02 <Judy> q+
14:51:07 <shadi> +1 to Romain
14:51:23 <David> romain: Walked the call through a few of the bullets under the deliverable section, indicating what is a tech note, or recommendation, or specification
14:51:23 <EmmaPR> q+
14:51:34 <shadi> ack rd
14:53:05 <Judy> q+
14:53:09 <Judy> ack sha
14:53:27 <David> shadi: leaning towards red track for the core spec, but we need to examine this more closely. Also, the term "test rules" seems to imply automated only. Should we consider a broader term that is inclusive of non-automated?
14:54:15 <shadi> ack ju
14:54:55 <Judy> q- later
14:55:25 <shadi> ack em
14:57:38 <David> emma: bbc is considering semi-automated and manual templates in their own efforts
14:57:42 <shadi> [+1 want to avoid terminology that may restrict us later on]
14:58:13 <David> wilco: a rule should not imply a particular level of automation
14:59:14 <shadi> [I really don't know if "rules" has any implications regarding automation or not]
14:59:34 <Judy> [JB: BTW, Shadi was right with regard to team resources for community groups; after I got the exception for the proposal development stage of this CG work, W3M (w3c management) re-visited the question and broadened the terms for allowing team contact support.]
14:59:39 <David> judy: perhaps we speak of rules and "procedures" which may better represent the human testing
14:59:40 <Judy> q+ George
14:59:43 <Judy> ack J
14:59:49 <shadi> ack g
15:00:24 <David> George: Sample pages to demonstrate how the rule works - yielding success and failure cases
15:00:57 <Judy> s/rules and "procedures"/"test rules and procedures"/
15:01:01 <David> wilco: such samples can be treated as supporting content for a rule
15:01:18 <Judy> s/better represent/also help encompass/
15:01:25 <rdeltour> q+
15:01:47 <rdeltour> q- then ;-)
15:01:51 <rdeltour> q-
15:02:30 <Judy> topic: Next Meeting
15:03:02 <David> wilco: Next meeting in 2 weeks
15:03:51 <David> judy: encouraged by idea of better defining deliverables, grabbing commitments to rule sets, commitments to use what we create.
15:05:44 <David> Digital publishing announcement of combining with W3C - potential for our work to apply to other forms of content such as ePub, PDF etc.
15:06:45 <David> annika: voluteers to work on task force work
15:06:54 <David> shadi: agrees with all of the above
15:07:06 <David> Wilco: have a good weekend!
15:07:43 <rdeltour> +1 on the collective final thoughts!
15:07:59 <Judy> rrsagent, make log public
15:08:09 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
15:08:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html Judy
15:08:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:09:04 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html shadi
15:10:24 <Judy> present- Chiru
15:10:39 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html Judy
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15:13:15 <John_HICKS> sorry to have missed the call today, unavoidable last minute meeting
15:13:21 <John_HICKS> very best,
15:13:22 <John_HICKS> John
15:15:53 <David> s/Next meeting in 2 weeks/Next meeting on June 2
15:16:48 <David> rrsagent, make minutes
15:16:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-auto-wcag-minutes.html David
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