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18:03:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
18:03:57 <trackbot> Date: 04 May 2016
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18:04:20 <fesch> agenda  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016May/0005.html
18:05:54 <AmeliaBR> Scribe: AmeliaBR
18:06:32 <AmeliaBR> present+ fesch, AmeliaBR, shepazu, rich, Brian
18:06:36 <fesch> q?
18:06:45 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Naming graphics roles
18:07:10 <AmeliaBR> FE: This came up on the mailing list, does anybody want to revisit the prefix graphics-*?
18:07:49 <AmeliaBR> RS: No, I think we've already discussed this enough.
18:08:02 <AmeliaBR> ... (to Amelia) Have you made any changes yet?
18:08:39 <AmeliaBR> ABR: I've pushed change graphics-doc to graphics-document.  I've started on the change to the table of mapping roles, but it hasn't been pushed to master.
18:09:04 <AmeliaBR> FE: Any other comments or discussion with respect to graphics-document instead of -doc?
18:09:09 <AmeliaBR> (no one comments)
18:10:30 <AmeliaBR> ABR: If anyone finds any cases that still use graphics-doc, please make a pull request.
18:11:00 <fesch> q?
18:11:10 <AmeliaBR> ... for the actual role mapping, that should be ready for next week.
18:11:30 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Update on Authoring Guidance
18:11:52 <AmeliaBR> FE: Doug has been discussing with chaals, but it's not up yet.
18:12:02 <AmeliaBR> DS: Should be online next week.
18:12:35 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: SVG Features At-Risk
18:12:57 <AmeliaBR> FE: We need an update on features which might affect us & tests we create.
18:13:50 <Rich> Note: there is the link to the HTML-AAM issue for the <svg> element: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/347
18:14:09 <AmeliaBR> ABR: At SVG2 meeting it was decided that any new features with no implementations should be officially marked at-risk.
18:14:37 <AmeliaBR> ... warning authors, prodding implementers
18:15:29 <AmeliaBR> FE: What's the timeline for SVG 2?
18:16:52 <AmeliaBR> ABR: Trying to get CR as soon as possible.  We won't be removing features between now and then, but marking things as at-risk makes it easier later on if we have to remove them before moving to Recommendation status.
18:17:04 <AmeliaBR> DS: Specifically, CR by end of June.
18:17:23 <AmeliaBR> FE: Any features other than multilingual title/desc we should be aware of?
18:18:40 <fesch> q?
18:18:51 <AmeliaBR> ABR: tabindex is important for accessibility, allows DOM/reading order to be independent from painting order, but I don't think that will affect any of our tests.
18:20:02 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Current Actions
18:20:10 <fesch> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/
18:20:33 <AmeliaBR> FE: There's a lot of discussion about ARIA Action 2044 (presentational roles), not sure if there's anything we need to discuss
18:20:54 <AmeliaBR> ABR: I think the discussion is mostly editorial, main decisions that affect our specs have already been made.
18:21:10 <AmeliaBR> FE: Action-2002, Is this still relevant?
18:22:35 <AmeliaBR> ABR: Action is still relevant, but the changes that are required are not as described in that note.  Need to update based on the current understanding of presentational roles.
18:24:12 <fesch> q?
18:25:02 <AmeliaBR> FE: Rich's Action-2003 is related, needs to follow up with the main ARIA spec
18:25:34 <AmeliaBR> RS: Yes, but still need to look into how native semantics interact
18:26:48 <AmeliaBR> FE: Action-2004, clean up title/desc
18:27:38 <AmeliaBR> ABR: I think there are still a few items there that I need to handle
18:27:52 <AmeliaBR> FE: How will this be affected by multilingual title/desc being removed?
18:28:31 <AmeliaBR> ABR: I think our wording is sufficiently vague, it just defers to rules in SVG 2 for selecting the correct alternative
18:29:16 <AmeliaBR> FE: Action-2008, by Doug, any updates?
18:29:21 <AmeliaBR> DS: No, not this week
18:30:07 <AmeliaBR> FE: Charles has Action-2020, follow up with WCAG re role none and title/desc
18:30:32 <AmeliaBR> CMN: I've pushed off the due date, I'll follow up.
18:31:18 <AmeliaBR> FE: Action-2021 looks like a duplicate on Rich re presentational roles
18:31:52 <AmeliaBR> FE: and Action-2022, update graphics roles mapping on Amelia
18:31:57 <AmeliaBR> ABR: Still working on it.
18:35:10 <AmeliaBR> ABR: Brian had discovered a section in graphics role spec that needs to be updated given issues with presentation/none https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/354/files
18:35:34 <AmeliaBR> ... I'm going to suggest adding more nuanced text instead of just removing it, need to draft wording.
18:35:57 <fesch> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/graphics.html
18:36:21 <fesch> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/graphics.html#introduction
18:37:04 <AmeliaBR> FE: I added an extra bullet point with the Graphics roles spec, in the introduction
18:38:06 <AmeliaBR> ABR: that looks fine.  Any work on the other changes to that section we discussed last week?
18:38:17 <AmeliaBR> FE: Not yet, I can add it in.
18:38:29 <AmeliaBR> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:38:37 <AmeliaBR> RRSAgent, publish minutes
18:38:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-svg-a11y-minutes.html AmeliaBR
18:39:13 <AmeliaBR> present+ chaals
18:39:20 <AmeliaBR> RRSAgent, publish minutes
18:39:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-svg-a11y-minutes.html AmeliaBR
18:39:37 <AmeliaBR> chair: fesch
18:39:41 <AmeliaBR> RRSAgent, publish minutes
18:39:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-svg-a11y-minutes.html AmeliaBR
18:40:10 <AmeliaBR> regrets+ Leonie Watson
18:40:15 <AmeliaBR> RRSAgent, publish minutes
18:40:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-svg-a11y-minutes.html AmeliaBR
18:40:26 <AmeliaBR> trackbot, end telcon
18:40:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:40:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fesch, AmeliaBR, shepazu, rich, Brian, chaals
18:40:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:40:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-svg-a11y-minutes.html trackbot
18:40:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:40:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items