IRC log of svg-a11y on 2016-04-27

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Zakim, this will be
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Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 27 April 2016
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chair: Fred
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scribe: Rich
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present+ AmeliaBR
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Topic: Any news or things to add to the agenda
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present+ Brian
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Apr/0030.html
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Apr/0029.html
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Topic: Authoring Document
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Doug: Charles and I met a couple weeks ago and we talked about the structure.
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Doug: I am working on a new outline over the old one
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Doug: I am going to put it in the SVG repository
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Doug: I chatted with Fred about it and he pointed me to authoring guidance for ARIA.
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Doug: I suggested it was not the right format for ours
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Doug: It might be appropriate for data visualization later
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Doug: I will be sharing a link to a github repo. for it
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Doug: I would like to put this on the agenda for next week and I would like people to review it.
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Fred: Who can edit it?
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chaals: I can.
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Doug: I want to do it all with pull requests
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Doug: I can take email
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Amelia: it provides lasting documentation and discussions related to it
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q?
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Fred: can you send out an email notification ahead of time?
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Doug: yes
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present+ chaals
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Topic: Last Meeting’s resolution
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Fred: this is child vs. descendant
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Where an element has role=none or role=presentation and has a
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descendent title or desc element, user agents must ignore the role.
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Apr/0014.html
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Apr/0016.html
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Fred: This should say that it has s child title or desc
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Amelia: yes
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RESOLUTION: Just fix it treating it as a typo
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Amelia: your email of April 12th ...
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Corrected resolution text would be: Where an element has role=none or role=presentation and has a direct child title or desc element, user agents must ignore the role.
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+11
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Fred: I will let Joanie I corrected our typo
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RESOLUTION: Where an element has role=none or role=presentation and has a direct child title or desc element, user agents must ignore the role
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ack Doug
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Fred: Originally, I wanted role presentation and none to be like a gold hammer where the person would know it would not show up in the accessibility tree
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ack shepazu
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Fred: That did not work due to exceptions like adding a tabindex
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Topic: Action 2044
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https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2044/aria/aria.html#override_presentation_none
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Rich: I will be looking for comments from Amelia and other on this over the next week
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Topic: Action 2021
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Action-2021
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Action-2021 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Work role=none/presentation into ARIA spec -- due 2016-04-20 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2021
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Discussion here: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/347
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Topic: default native host language semantics for the SVG element and how to process
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https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/347
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Rich: What do we do if it is empty?
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Amelia: it is empty in terms of the accessibility tree such as a uniform image
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Amelia: We don’t want to map it to group in the long run
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Amelia: Group does not make sense
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Amelia: The mappings will be in the be in the graphics-aam
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Amelia: the SVG mapping spec. will refer to the graphics-aam
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Rich: Steve Faulkner has said HTML needs to point to the SVG specification for the <SVG> element
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Rich: I am speaking to Joanie about the mappings
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Action: Amelia update the SVG AAM and SVG2 to use the new graphics roles
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Created ACTION-2022 - Update the svg aam and svg2 to use the new graphics roles [on Amelia Bellamy-Royds - due 2016-05-04].
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Rich: We need to lock down SVG2, HTML 5.1, ARIA 1.1, and the Graphics ARIA module first and then the AAM shall follow
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Amelia: We need to have agreement on the ARIA role mappings and the AAMs will expose them
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Fred: On the github issue then I guess we go ahead report that we are moving graphics group to graphics document - defer to SVG for SVG related semantics and mappings
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Fred: Leonie, was there any contention to graphics docs not having children?
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RESOLUTION: No issues with switching to using graphics-doc over the ARIA group role
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RESOLUTION: No issues with graphics-doc not having children
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Topic: How should we in the graphics module give a preview for a more complex set of graphics roles in the future?
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Fred: Judy asked for the status of this
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Fred: I talked about the basic plumbing being taken care consistently first
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Fred: Any issues with putting this in the inroduction
18:38:38 [AmeliaBR]
This specification defines the core roles that would be used in all structured graphics or diagrams. Future work will expand on this framework to enable more detailed annotation of data-rich graphics such as charts or maps.
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(Those are relevant comments from current spec text.)
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Rich: The intent of this specification is to work in harmony with SVG2 and ARIA 1.1 to get consistent working accessibility infrastructure, on par with WAI-ARIA and HTML5.1, across all the major browsers.
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The intent of this specification is to work in harmony with SVG2 and ARIA 1.1 to get consistent working accessibility infrastructure and keyboard support, on par with WAI-ARIA and HTML5.1, across all the major browsers.
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Action: Fred make changes to the Introduction regarding this release of the graphics module and future releases
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Created ACTION-2023 - Make changes to the introduction regarding this release of the graphics module and future releases [on Fred Esch - due 2016-05-04].
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zakim, bye
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