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15:05:55 <ShaneM> chair: AdrianHB
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15:07:20 <AdrianHB> scribenick: AdrianHB
15:07:35 <AdrianHB> [Evan is presenting a talk he gave at WWW2016]
15:07:41 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
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15:07:58 <AdrianHB> evan: have been working on use case demos on top of ILP to test things and prove the value
15:08:08 <ShaneM> zakim, this is Interledger Protocol Community Group
15:08:08 <Zakim> got it, ShaneM
15:08:18 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
15:08:20 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
15:08:20 <Zakim> Present: ShaneM
15:08:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Karen_, RRSAgent, padler, djg, Dimitri, ShaneM, emschwartz, justmoon, jtremback, zmanian, AdrianHB, evhub, xavier, stevenroose, tarcieri, danmiller
15:08:40 <AdrianHB> ... looked for images for presentation but had to filter based on usage rights
15:08:44 <ShaneM> present+ AdrianHB
15:09:16 <AdrianHB> ... what the image search does is actually look for creative commons licenses
15:10:13 <AdrianHB> ... many people use pirate bay etc to download content via torrents but there are streaming service emerging as alts
15:10:42 <AdrianHB> ... which are of course legal vs torrenting (which is only piracy because there is no way to pay for the content)
15:11:12 <AdrianHB> ... we need a license that is like CC but supports paying the content producer
15:11:35 <AdrianHB> ... [shows requirements for new strawman license]
15:11:45 <AdrianHB> ... project is based on WebTorrent
15:12:28 <AdrianHB> ... vision is an ecosystem where torrenting is legal because everyone is paying for their content
15:13:24 <AdrianHB> ... [DEMO: Five Bells Wallet Client] - https://github.com/interledger/five-bells-wallet-client
15:13:43 <AdrianHB> ... simple wallet client for ILP
15:13:59 <AdrianHB> ... bootstraps ILP users (as opposed to core developers)
15:15:48 <AdrianHB> ... [DEMO: Instant.io + Interledger] -  https://github.com/emschwartz/webtorrent-ilp
15:17:11 <AdrianHB> ... allows someone to upload a file with a license file embedded
15:17:23 <AdrianHB> ... downloaders pay the uploader and content producer
15:17:48 <AdrianHB> ... ILP allows this to be done without worrying about currencies and interoperability of payment networks between participants
15:18:28 <AdrianHB> ... [Shows a downloader getting a file]
15:18:58 <AdrianHB> ... note that second downloader is now paying the other downloader as they are seeding the file too
15:19:28 <AdrianHB> ... [Shows wallets of participants]
15:19:38 <AdrianHB> ... note how the payments are rolling in real time
15:20:03 <AdrianHB> ... ILP is efficient enough to facilitate very small payments and between different systems
15:20:20 <AdrianHB> ... no need for all participants to pick a common payment network/system
15:20:55 <AdrianHB> ... ILP is a payment standard designed to be used by other standards
15:21:19 <AdrianHB> ... it is open and neutral so it doesn't force anything built on top to use a specific network
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15:22:35 <jaime-ez> hi, got questions
15:22:48 <zmanian> Does the recipients wallet client need to be online?
15:22:55 <jaime-ez> ok, no iĺl just write
15:23:37 <AdrianHB> ... the wallet provides a good starting point for developers that want to use ILP
15:23:52 <AdrianHB> jamie-ez: do you need to be logged into the wallet to be paid
15:24:27 <AdrianHB> @jamie-ez - there is a lot of background noise on your line
15:24:35 <AdrianHB> evan: not to be paid
15:25:19 <AdrianHB> jamie-ez: how does the sender provide permission to their ledger to send the funds
15:26:02 <AdrianHB> evan: right now it is based on the reference implementation of the ILP ledger (five-bells) but it could be updated to use any ILP-capable ledger
15:27:00 <AdrianHB> evan: auth into the ledger is not defined by ILP. The ledger needs to support ILP and then provide a way to auth sending transactions in whatever way it wants
15:27:07 <jaime-ez> yes
15:27:59 <justmoon> emschwartz: show "magic"!
15:28:15 <justmoon> (if you haven't already)
15:28:37 <emschwartz> https://github.com/interledger/magic
15:28:43 <AdrianHB> dmitri: have been hands-on with the crypto-conditions
15:28:54 <AdrianHB> ... working well so, so far so good
15:29:10 <AdrianHB> ... may be concerns about long fulfillments (time to unpack)
15:29:42 <AdrianHB> ... figuring it out
15:30:29 <AdrianHB> justmoon: wrt length of fulfillments, there is a fixed ratio between the string and binary encodings so you can enforce your limits up front
15:30:46 <AdrianHB> dimitri: that will be something we'll investigate
15:32:18 <Dimitri> python implementation at https://github.com/bigchaindb/cryptoconditions
15:33:26 <AdrianHB> justmoon: we haven't forgotten about routing. After establishing crypto-conditions test suite we'll focus on routing
15:33:57 <AdrianHB> ... plan is to move to a model more like the Internet stack. I.e. routing at the switch (connector) not sender
15:34:31 <AdrianHB> ... we already tried moving pathfind and the size difference is already bug
15:34:52 <AdrianHB> evan: working on the wallet client and thes routing changes is making it a lot less complex
15:35:10 <AdrianHB> ... will make implementations in many languages easier
15:35:47 <AdrianHB> ... plan is to make it easier for devs to pick up Interledger with minimal knowledge of the underlying prototocl
15:38:02 <AdrianHB> dimitri: is it possible to get the presentation to share?
15:38:02 <AdrianHB> evan: will send to the list
15:38:26 <AdrianHB> dimitri: in our impl we are JSON based so we made a lib to serialize between JSON and string formats for conditions
15:38:47 <AdrianHB> ... also is it possible to add issues or PRs
15:39:44 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/20-interledger-minutes.html ShaneM
15:39:49 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make logs public
15:40:12 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
15:40:12 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
15:40:16 <AdrianHB> justmoon: YES!
15:40:17 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
15:40:17 <Zakim> Present: ShaneM, AdrianHB
15:40:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see jaime-ez, Zakim, Karen_, RRSAgent, padler, djg, Dimitri, ShaneM, emschwartz, justmoon, jtremback, zmanian, AdrianHB, evhub, xavier, stevenroose, tarcieri, danmiller
15:40:28 <jaime-ez> no thanks, sorry for the noise and great work!
15:40:44 <AdrianHB> no problem :)
15:41:01 <AdrianHB> ShaneM, got it thanks
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