IRC log of html on 2016-04-14

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Meeting: HTML Bug Triage
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scribe: JF
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agenda?
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CMN: will chew through bugs. Starting at bug 13734
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Topic: 13734
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-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13734 new input types and accessibility
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present+ janina
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statement that new inputs must be accessible
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present+ chaals
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CMN there is no specific input noted in this bug, although chaals notes a related bug on date
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resolved as invalid
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Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
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Present+ JF
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13736
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the @requried attribute and a11y
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CMN: close qs invalid - sames as previous (generic comment with no specific bug attached)
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13737
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CMN: close as invalid - sames as previous (generic comment with no specific bug attached)
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KHS: all of these are coming from Vetrans Admin, thye just wanted to be sure they were all accessible
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CMN: agreed, but these are generic comments with nothing specific to do
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=137378
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13738
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CMN: checking he spec now...
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s/he/the
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-> https://w3c.github.io/html/editing.html#focus-management-apis seems to be fixed, as Hixie said.
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VErified fixed
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13739
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CMN: suspect we can pass this to the Editors (GitHub)
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ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 13739 to the Editors
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18245
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ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 18245 to the Tab Panel folks
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18385
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CMN: there are specific items that can do this, but nothing generic
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not sure if we will get such a generic thing - aria-describedat was hopiing to do that, but it's not happening now
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CMN: we should resolve as Wont Fix and note that specific methods exist today
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18450
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Discussion on this item - seems like authoring guidance issue
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CMN: checking to see about a screen capture API (maybe?)
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CMN: the pooint would be to provide a serialization of the DOM
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Looking in alt-techniques stuff - it's editorial, but not not-useful
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JS: forward to EO - believe there is a grant for editorial work there
14:27:34 [chaals]
-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-eo-editors/2014May/0009.html the people working on the tutorials don't want to do this
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CMN: what if we raise an issue on GitHub
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ACTION: Chaals to raise this as an issue on GitHub (bug 18450)
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19159
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CMN: this talks about the use of @hidden and tab panels. It appears assigned to Steve Faulkner - perhaps ping him
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ACTION: Chaals to forward to STeve
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20987
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CMN: assigned to Steve F. Chaals will ping him on this as well
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22777
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ACTION: Chaals to address bug 22777
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22852
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CMN: will ping Steve F on this as well
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22854
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CMN: same as previous
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22929
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CMN: does not appear to be an HTML bug, (but then again...?)
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23027
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CMN: looks like an ARIA API issue
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CMN: also appears to be fixed
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ACTION: Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs
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s/Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs/Chaals to assign #23027 to Steve F, move to APIs
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23347
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JF: I agree with James here
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CMN: yes, looking to find it in the spec
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-> https://w3c.github.io/html/editing.html#the-tabindex-attribute fix the sentence at the end of this section…
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JF: What is implementation going to be like?
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JF: have browsers already implemented this as -1 instead of undefined?
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CMN: anyone interestd in testing this?
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ACTION: Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't
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JS: Might be able to help test this
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CMN: we need to test to see what is reported when tab index is not specified: expect value of "undefined" and not "-1"
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CMN: test and report back
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s/Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't/Chaals will test the implementation related to bug #23347. If James is right we make the change, else we don't
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CMN: doing live testing now
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CMN: Firefox, Blink (and alledgedly Safari - cannot test) do what James claims. We need tomake the change
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ACTION: Chaals will make a change to the spec to reflect that James was correct in Bug 23347
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23389
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JF: this seems related to a question just raised by Cynthia about a week ago.
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ACTION: JF to investigate bug 23389, and resolve
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23616
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CMN: already assigned to Chaals
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23871
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is a featurre request - looking for somebody to take this
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24860
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CMN: Editorial that I can do
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ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 24860
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25881
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CMN: issue already open on this
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25886
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ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 25886
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27787
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CMN: this is a real work bug - needs research and somebody to write up a proposal
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ACTION: JF to investigate and report on bug 27787
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27913
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CMN: believe this is fixed... (maybe?)
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ACTION: Chaals to follow up on bug 27913
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CMN: that the list done
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CMN: thanks all
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-minutes.html JF
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RRSAgent, publish minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-minutes.html JF
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RRSAgent, please part
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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 13739 to the Editors [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-17-43
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ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 18245 to the Tab Panel folks [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-19-54
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ACTION: Chaals to raise this as an issue on GitHub (bug 18450) [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-28-25
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ACTION: Chaals to forward to STeve [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-30-13
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ACTION: Chaals to address bug 22777 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-32-45
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ACTION: Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-36-23
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ACTION: Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-42-35
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ACTION: Chaals will make a change to the spec to reflect that James was correct in Bug 23347 [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-47-58
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ACTION: JF to investigate bug 23389, and resolve [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-50-01
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ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 24860 [10]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-54-38
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ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 25886 [11]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-55-50
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ACTION: JF to investigate and report on bug 27787 [12]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-58-18
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ACTION: Chaals to follow up on bug 27913 [13]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-59-13