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14:05:40 <chaals> Meeting: HTML Bug Triage
14:05:55 <JF> scribe: JF
14:06:00 <JF> agenda?
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14:06:39 <JF> CMN: will chew through bugs. Starting at bug 13734
14:06:49 <chaals> Topic: 13734
14:07:02 <chaals> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13734 new input types and accessibility
14:07:19 <janina> present+ janina
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14:08:05 <JF> statement that new inputs must be accessible
14:08:16 <chaals> present+ chaals
14:08:32 <JF> CMN there is no specific input noted in this bug, although chaals notes a related bug on date
14:08:39 <JF> resolved as invalid
14:08:41 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:08:48 <JF> Present+ JF
14:09:37 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13736
14:09:47 <JF> the @requried attribute and a11y
14:10:39 <JF> CMN: close qs invalid - sames as previous (generic comment with no specific bug attached)
14:11:11 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13737
14:11:56 <JF> CMN: close as invalid - sames as previous (generic comment with no specific bug attached)
14:12:36 <JF> KHS: all of these are coming from Vetrans Admin, thye just wanted to be sure they were all accessible
14:12:47 <JF> CMN: agreed, but these are generic comments with nothing specific to do
14:12:56 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=137378
14:13:23 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13738
14:14:03 <JF> CMN: checking he spec now...
14:14:42 <JF> s/he/the
14:14:58 <chaals> -> https://w3c.github.io/html/editing.html#focus-management-apis seems to be fixed, as Hixie said.
14:15:56 <JF> VErified fixed
14:16:13 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13739
14:16:59 <JF> CMN: suspect we can pass this to the Editors (GitHub)
14:17:43 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 13739 to the Editors
14:18:19 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18245
14:19:54 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 18245 to the Tab Panel folks
14:20:34 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18385
14:21:35 <JF> CMN: there are specific items that can do this, but nothing generic
14:22:01 <JF> not sure if we will get such a generic thing - aria-describedat was hopiing to do that, but it's not happening now
14:22:24 <JF> CMN: we should resolve as Wont Fix and note that specific methods exist today
14:24:16 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18450
14:25:39 <JF> Discussion on this item - seems like authoring guidance issue
14:26:02 <JF> CMN: checking to see about a screen capture API (maybe?)
14:26:34 <JF> CMN: the pooint would be to provide a serialization of the DOM
14:27:01 <JF> Looking in alt-techniques stuff - it's editorial, but not not-useful
14:27:23 <JF> JS: forward to EO - believe there is a grant for editorial work there
14:27:34 <chaals> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-eo-editors/2014May/0009.html the people working on the tutorials don't want to do this
14:27:57 <JF> CMN: what if we raise an issue on GitHub
14:28:25 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to raise this as an issue on GitHub (bug 18450)
14:28:32 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19159
14:29:36 <JF> CMN: this talks about the use of @hidden and tab panels. It appears assigned to Steve Faulkner - perhaps ping him
14:30:13 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to forward to STeve
14:30:53 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20987
14:31:12 <JF> CMN: assigned to Steve F. Chaals will ping him on this as well
14:32:04 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22777
14:32:45 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to address bug 22777
14:32:53 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22852
14:33:09 <JF> CMN: will ping Steve F on this as well
14:33:20 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22854
14:33:26 <JF> CMN: same as previous
14:33:48 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22929
14:34:47 <JF> CMN: does not appear to be an HTML bug, (but then again...?)
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14:35:35 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23027
14:36:03 <JF> CMN: looks like an ARIA API issue
14:36:12 <JF> CMN: also appears to be fixed
14:36:23 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs
14:36:57 <JF> s/Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs/Chaals to assign #23027 to Steve F, move to APIs
14:38:13 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23347
14:39:15 <JF> JF: I agree with James here
14:39:23 <JF> CMN: yes, looking to find it in the spec
14:40:45 <chaals> -> https://w3c.github.io/html/editing.html#the-tabindex-attribute fix the sentence at the end of this section…
14:40:53 <chaals> JF: What is implementation going to be like?
14:41:42 <JF> JF: have browsers already implemented this as -1 instead of undefined?
14:41:51 <JF> CMN: anyone interestd in testing this?
14:42:35 <JF> ACTION: Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't
14:42:54 <JF> JS: Might be able to help test this
14:43:38 <JF> CMN: we need to test to see what is reported when tab index is not specified: expect value of "undefined" and not "-1"
14:43:51 <JF> CMN: test and report back
14:44:44 <JF> s/Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't/Chaals will test the implementation related to bug #23347. If James is right we make the change, else we don't
14:45:14 <JF> CMN: doing live testing now
14:47:22 <JF> CMN: Firefox, Blink (and alledgedly Safari - cannot test) do what James claims. We need tomake the change
14:47:58 <JF> ACTION: Chaals will make a change to the spec to reflect that James was correct in Bug 23347
14:48:03 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23389
14:49:42 <JF> JF: this seems related to a question just raised by Cynthia about a week ago.
14:50:01 <JF> ACTION: JF to investigate bug 23389, and resolve
14:51:46 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23616
14:52:01 <JF> CMN: already assigned to Chaals
14:53:26 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23871
14:53:41 <JF> is a featurre request - looking for somebody to take this
14:53:56 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24860
14:54:23 <JF> CMN: Editorial that I can do
14:54:38 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 24860
14:54:49 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25881
14:55:01 <JF> CMN: issue already open on this
14:55:16 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25886
14:55:50 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 25886
14:56:05 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27787
14:56:37 <JF> CMN: this is a real work bug - needs research and somebody to write up a proposal
14:58:18 <JF> ACTION: JF to investigate and report on bug 27787
14:58:37 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27913
14:58:49 <JF> CMN: believe this is fixed... (maybe?)
14:59:13 <JF> ACTION: Chaals to follow up on bug 27913
14:59:18 <JF> CMN: that the list done
14:59:28 <JF> CMN: thanks all
14:59:57 <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:00:18 <JF> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:00:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-minutes.html JF
15:00:28 <JF> RRSAgent, publish minutes
15:00:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-minutes.html JF
15:00:41 <JF> RRSAgent, please part
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-actions.rdf :
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 13739 to the Editors [1]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-17-43
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to forward bug 18245 to the Tab Panel folks [2]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-19-54
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to raise this as an issue on GitHub (bug 18450) [3]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-28-25
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to forward to STeve [4]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-30-13
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to address bug 22777 [5]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-32-45
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to assign to Steve F, move to APIs [6]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-36-23
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals will test the implementation. If James is right we make the change, else we don't [7]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-42-35
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals will make a change to the spec to reflect that James was correct in Bug 23347 [8]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-47-58
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JF to investigate bug 23389, and resolve [9]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-50-01
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 24860 [10]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-54-38
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to address editorial issue in bug 25886 [11]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-55-50
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JF to investigate and report on bug 27787 [12]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-58-18
15:00:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chaals to follow up on bug 27913 [13]
15:00:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-html-irc#T14-59-13