IRC log of apa on 2016-04-06
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 06 April 2016
- 15:50:44 [janina]
- agenda?
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- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
- 15:50:52 [janina]
- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
- 15:50:52 [janina]
- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
- 15:50:52 [janina]
- agenda+ MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html
- 15:50:54 [janina]
- agenda+ Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html
- 15:50:57 [janina]
- agenda+ Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html
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- agenda+ Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ next and future meetings
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- agenda+ be done
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- present+ Janina
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- Chair: Janina
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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- 15:58:16 [joanie]
- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+ ShaneM
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- present+ fesch
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- 16:02:37 [Rich]
- present+ Rich_Schweredtfeger
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- 16:04:01 [janina]
- regrets: Mary_Jo, Cynthia, Gottfried
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- present+ LJWatson
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- Present+ JF
- 16:06:22 [MichaelC]
- present+ MichaelC
- 16:06:31 [janina]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
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- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fesch
- 16:07:01 [ShaneM]
- zakim, agenda ?
- 16:07:01 [Zakim]
- I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
- 16:07:03 [Zakim]
- 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
- 16:07:03 [Zakim]
- 2. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
- 16:07:03 [Zakim]
- 3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
- 16:07:04 [Zakim]
- 4. MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html [from janina]
- 16:07:04 [Zakim]
- 5. Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html [from janina]
- 16:07:05 [Zakim]
- 6. Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html [from janina]
- 16:07:05 [Zakim]
- 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
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- 8. Other Business [from janina]
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- 9. next and future meetings [from janina]
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- 10. be done [from janina]
- 16:07:12 [fesch]
- scribe: fesch
- 16:08:16 [MichielBijl]
- present+ Michiel_Bijl
- 16:08:37 [fesch]
- chair: Janina
- 16:09:01 [fesch]
- js: bash will be able to run in a windows terminal
- 16:09:16 [janina]
- http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/ubuntus-bash-and-linux-command-line-coming-to-windows-10/
- 16:09:30 [ShaneM]
- cygwin has had a similar environment available for ages
- 16:09:35 [fesch]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
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- action-2018
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- action-2018 -- John Foliot to Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ -- due 2016-04-06 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2018
- 16:10:46 [MichaelC]
- action-2018 due 1 week
- 16:10:47 [trackbot]
- Set action-2018 Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ due date to 2016-04-13.
- 16:10:54 [fesch]
- action-2014
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- action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-09-02 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
- 16:11:05 [fesch]
- action-2012
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- action-2012 -- Shane McCarron to Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ -- due 2016-03-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2012
- 16:11:25 [MichaelC]
- action-2012 due 1 week
- 16:11:25 [trackbot]
- Set action-2012 Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ due date to 2016-04-13.
- 16:11:40 [fesch]
- action-2011
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- action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-02-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
- 16:11:55 [MichaelC]
- action-2011 due 1 week
- 16:11:55 [trackbot]
- Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-04-13.
- 16:12:06 [fesch]
- action-2006
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- action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
- 16:13:01 [fesch]
- action-1762
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- action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-03-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1762
- 16:13:38 [fesch]
- action-1795
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- Sorry, but action-1795 does not exist.
- 16:13:55 [fesch]
- action-1751
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- action-1751 -- Léonie Watson to Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
- 16:13:55 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1751
- 16:14:12 [fesch]
- action-1750
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- action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750
- 16:14:49 [MichaelC]
- close action-2001
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- Closed action-2001.
- 16:16:11 [fesch]
- lw: a couple of wording suggestions and graphics...
- 16:16:37 [fesch]
- mc: can we put it on agenda for next week?
- 16:16:41 [fesch]
- lw: two weeks
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:17:12 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol
- 16:18:06 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model
- 16:19:44 [fesch]
- mc: had a problem with an annotation protocol alpha... not sure it is with the data model or protocol
- 16:20:02 [MichaelC]
- action: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs
- 16:20:02 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2022 - Figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-04-13].
- 16:20:31 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/ CSS Device Adaptation Module Level 1
- 16:23:11 [MichaelC]
- not needed on Low vision, light sensor, battery status, generic sensor api, understanding wcag
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- not needed woff
- 16:23:32 [fesch]
- mc: web fonts?
- 16:23:52 [fesch]
- mc: do we need to track HTML 5.1?
- 16:23:57 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
- 16:24:08 [fesch]
- rs: yes, we have a lot of syncing....
- 16:24:31 [fesch]
- js: Leone what do we need to track in HTML?
- 16:24:49 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
- 16:25:10 [fesch]
- lw: can help with building community - HTML 5.1 -
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- rs: what will help is what is different
- 16:25:41 [LJWatson]
- https://www.w3.org/blog/2016/04/working-on-html5-1/
- 16:26:11 [ShaneM]
- q+ to ask about longdesc
- 16:26:23 [Rich]
- q+
- 16:26:41 [fesch]
- lw: can use help with finding parts of the spec which are not readable...
- 16:26:58 [fesch]
- lw: file issues on github... a pull request even better
- 16:26:59 [janina]
- q?
- 16:27:12 [janina]
- ack sh
- 16:27:12 [Zakim]
- ShaneM, you wanted to ask about longdesc
- 16:27:41 [fesch]
- sm: what is happening with HTML 5 extensions? Are they being rolled in?
- 16:28:04 [fesch]
- lw: not taking time to extract features in 5.1
- 16:28:18 [fesch]
- lw: from now on introduce as modules
- 16:28:46 [fesch]
- sm: are the extensions that are already developed ...
- 16:29:01 [fesch]
- lw: longdesc is an extension....
- 16:29:25 [fesch]
- lw: ARIA may be taken out and make it's own spec
- 16:29:37 [ShaneM]
- q?
- 16:29:41 [janina]
- q?
- 16:29:44 [JF]
- Q+
- 16:30:11 [fesch]
- lw: need to see how modules link up... they are part of HTML
- 16:30:48 [fesch]
- sm: divergence of HTML spec vs WG spec
- 16:31:01 [janina]
- ack r
- 16:31:11 [JF]
- ack JF
- 16:31:24 [fesch]
- rs: referencing modules...
- 16:32:00 [fesch]
- lw: ... stuff has been rewritten... less understandable
- 16:32:15 [fesch]
- rs: how is it different how is it modularized?
- 16:32:21 [ShaneM]
- ARIAINHTML is still referenced from the WhatWG Living Standard references page: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/references.html
- 16:32:41 [LJWatson]
- https://www.w3.org/html/landscape/
- 16:33:17 [fesch]
- lw: everything after can be found in landscape up until December
- 16:34:19 [fesch]
- lw: the questions are good, can you ask them on the HTML list
- 16:34:32 [MichielBijl]
- Address of the list: public-html@w3.org
- 16:34:52 [MichielBijl]
- Archive of the list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/
- 16:35:11 [fesch]
- lw: beneficial if you can ask questions on HTML list -
- 16:36:07 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webcrypto-key-discovery/ WebCrypto Key Discovery
- 16:36:53 [fesch]
- mc: don't think we need to review
- 16:37:38 [fesch]
- sm: accessibility issue related but not this spec, client side keys - want to watch this space
- 16:37:58 [fesch]
- mc: need a discussion with security group
- 16:38:26 [fesch]
- mc: put on Janina/Rich list
- 16:38:59 [fesch]
- sm: don't allow client side key generation anymore
- 16:39:10 [fesch]
- zakim, next item
- 16:39:10 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:41:02 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
- 16:41:21 [fesch]
- js: DRM module has use cases where there is a problem with accessibility... I think there was an action AFB had...
- 16:42:25 [fesch]
- js: publisher of a media file, is not always the one to add captioning... did we sync with them on this?
- 16:43:26 [fesch]
- jf: question is around encryption around the media - only possible issue is if media and accessibility track (captions) were done differently/encrpytion - most doesn't encrypt anything
- 16:44:03 [fesch]
- jf: solution wrap everything together and encrypt entire band...
- 16:44:16 [fesch]
- js: I think that is adequate
- 16:44:58 [fesch]
- js: spec is OK... need to document in wiki
- 16:45:12 [JF]
- Q+
- 16:45:37 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:46:06 [fesch]
- jf: we need to make the distinction between EME and DRM...
- 16:46:55 [chaals]
- [FYI ShaneM I plan to raise issues for extensions that are part of HTML, but lack pointers from HTML - e.g. add attributes in the relevant place, with pointers to the defining specs.]
- 16:46:57 [fesch]
- js: there is an Open Source issue can't reverse engineer
- 16:47:18 [ShaneM]
- chaals: I thought you had sent that along. Thanks
- 16:47:40 [ShaneM]
- +1 - EME is the W3C module
- 16:47:44 [chaals]
- s/chaals:/[chaals,/
- 16:48:18 [fesch]
- zakim, next item
- 16:48:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:49:01 [fesch]
- js: do we have everything?
- 16:49:24 [fesch]
- mc: issue has been sent...
- 16:50:23 [janina]
- q?
- 16:50:34 [fesch]
- mb: section on focus management - only concern we have - should explain what should happen when you do a clipboard action
- 16:50:48 [fesch]
- mb: open an issue on HTML...
- 16:51:10 [fesch]
- lw: if we have time to do it...
- 16:51:48 [fesch]
- mc: marking complete in the wiki, MB to update wiki page when he files an HTML issue
- 16:51:56 [fesch]
- zakim, next item
- 16:51:56 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:52:20 [fesch]
- zakim, close item
- 16:52:20 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close item', fesch
- 16:52:35 [fesch]
- zakim, close this item
- 16:52:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 closed
- 16:52:37 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:52:37 [Zakim]
- 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
- 16:52:41 [fesch]
- zakim, next item
- 16:52:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:52:53 [ShaneM]
- scribenick: ShaneM
- 16:52:57 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
- 16:53:23 [ShaneM]
- fesch: Not a big problem with it. It was just an update of an older document. But Rich had some problems with it.
- 16:54:13 [ShaneM]
- Rich: Concern about the object model CSS. We need to care about how it is exposed to test tools and ATs.
- 16:54:34 [ShaneM]
- ... we need to know how the information is conveyed out of it. That's where CSS content injection takes place.
- 16:54:41 [ShaneM]
- janina: is this a candidate for the API spec?
- 16:54:43 [ShaneM]
- Rich: Yes.
- 16:55:26 [ShaneM]
- ... Beau (sp?) spent time talking with the CSS working group about this last week. They are not sure how they will staff it, but something is happening.
- 16:55:40 [ShaneM]
- ... they are concerned about how mapping is done with ARIA, SVG, HTML etc.
- 16:55:55 [ShaneM]
- MichaelC: They want ARIA to coordinate these activities.
- 16:56:14 [ShaneM]
- janina: We need to specify what we need specified. But there may be questions we need to kick around until we have a good solution.
- 16:56:35 [ShaneM]
- MichaelC: Note that I will not be around next Monday.
- 16:57:00 [ShaneM]
- zakim, agenda?
- 16:57:00 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
- 16:57:01 [Zakim]
- 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
- 16:57:01 [Zakim]
- 8. Other Business [from janina]
- 16:57:01 [Zakim]
- 9. next and future meetings [from janina]
- 16:57:02 [Zakim]
- 10. be done [from janina]
- 16:57:26 [ShaneM]
- janina: spec review of CSSOM is complete. We need to cover this in the API discussions.
- 16:58:09 [ShaneM]
- rrsagent. make minutes
- 16:58:17 [ShaneM]
- s/rrsagent. make minutes//
- 16:58:24 [ShaneM]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:58:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
- 16:58:29 [fesch]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:58:29 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html fesch
- 17:02:53 [jamesn]
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- rrsagent, part
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-irc#T16-20-02