IRC log of apa on 2016-04-06

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 April 2016
15:50:44 [janina]
agenda?
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:50:52 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:50:52 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:50:52 [janina]
agenda+ MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html
15:50:54 [janina]
agenda+ Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html
15:50:57 [janina]
agenda+ Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html
15:51:00 [janina]
agenda+ Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html
15:51:03 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
15:51:06 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
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present+ Janina
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Chair: Janina
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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15:58:16 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ ShaneM
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present+ fesch
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16:02:37 [Rich]
present+ Rich_Schweredtfeger
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16:04:01 [janina]
regrets: Mary_Jo, Cynthia, Gottfried
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present+ LJWatson
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Present+ JF
16:06:22 [MichaelC]
present+ MichaelC
16:06:31 [janina]
zakim, pick a victim
16:06:31 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
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zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fesch
16:07:01 [ShaneM]
zakim, agenda ?
16:07:01 [Zakim]
I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
16:07:03 [Zakim]
2. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
16:07:03 [Zakim]
3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:07:04 [Zakim]
4. MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html [from janina]
16:07:04 [Zakim]
5. Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html [from janina]
16:07:05 [Zakim]
6. Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html [from janina]
16:07:05 [Zakim]
7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
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8. Other Business [from janina]
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9. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:07:06 [Zakim]
10. be done [from janina]
16:07:12 [fesch]
scribe: fesch
16:08:16 [MichielBijl]
present+ Michiel_Bijl
16:08:37 [fesch]
chair: Janina
16:09:01 [fesch]
js: bash will be able to run in a windows terminal
16:09:16 [janina]
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/ubuntus-bash-and-linux-command-line-coming-to-windows-10/
16:09:30 [ShaneM]
cygwin has had a similar environment available for ages
16:09:35 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:09:35 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:10:14 [fesch]
action-2018
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action-2018 -- John Foliot to Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ -- due 2016-04-06 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2018
16:10:46 [MichaelC]
action-2018 due 1 week
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Set action-2018 Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ due date to 2016-04-13.
16:10:54 [fesch]
action-2014
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action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-09-02 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
16:11:05 [fesch]
action-2012
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action-2012 -- Shane McCarron to Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ -- due 2016-03-30 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2012
16:11:25 [MichaelC]
action-2012 due 1 week
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Set action-2012 Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ due date to 2016-04-13.
16:11:40 [fesch]
action-2011
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action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-02-24 -- OPEN
16:11:40 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
16:11:55 [MichaelC]
action-2011 due 1 week
16:11:55 [trackbot]
Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-04-13.
16:12:06 [fesch]
action-2006
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action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
16:12:06 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
16:13:01 [fesch]
action-1762
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action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-03-09 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1762
16:13:38 [fesch]
action-1795
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Sorry, but action-1795 does not exist.
16:13:55 [fesch]
action-1751
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action-1751 -- Léonie Watson to Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1751
16:14:12 [fesch]
action-1750
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action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750
16:14:49 [MichaelC]
close action-2001
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Closed action-2001.
16:16:11 [fesch]
lw: a couple of wording suggestions and graphics...
16:16:37 [fesch]
mc: can we put it on agenda for next week?
16:16:41 [fesch]
lw: two weeks
16:16:52 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:16:52 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:17:12 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol
16:18:06 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model
16:19:44 [fesch]
mc: had a problem with an annotation protocol alpha... not sure it is with the data model or protocol
16:20:02 [MichaelC]
action: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs
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Created ACTION-2022 - Figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-04-13].
16:20:31 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/ CSS Device Adaptation Module Level 1
16:23:11 [MichaelC]
not needed on Low vision, light sensor, battery status, generic sensor api, understanding wcag
16:23:30 [MichaelC]
not needed woff
16:23:32 [fesch]
mc: web fonts?
16:23:52 [fesch]
mc: do we need to track HTML 5.1?
16:23:57 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
16:24:08 [fesch]
rs: yes, we have a lot of syncing....
16:24:31 [fesch]
js: Leone what do we need to track in HTML?
16:24:49 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:25:10 [fesch]
lw: can help with building community - HTML 5.1 -
16:25:20 [fesch]
rs: what will help is what is different
16:25:41 [LJWatson]
https://www.w3.org/blog/2016/04/working-on-html5-1/
16:26:11 [ShaneM]
q+ to ask about longdesc
16:26:23 [Rich]
q+
16:26:41 [fesch]
lw: can use help with finding parts of the spec which are not readable...
16:26:58 [fesch]
lw: file issues on github... a pull request even better
16:26:59 [janina]
q?
16:27:12 [janina]
ack sh
16:27:12 [Zakim]
ShaneM, you wanted to ask about longdesc
16:27:41 [fesch]
sm: what is happening with HTML 5 extensions? Are they being rolled in?
16:28:04 [fesch]
lw: not taking time to extract features in 5.1
16:28:18 [fesch]
lw: from now on introduce as modules
16:28:46 [fesch]
sm: are the extensions that are already developed ...
16:29:01 [fesch]
lw: longdesc is an extension....
16:29:25 [fesch]
lw: ARIA may be taken out and make it's own spec
16:29:37 [ShaneM]
q?
16:29:41 [janina]
q?
16:29:44 [JF]
Q+
16:30:11 [fesch]
lw: need to see how modules link up... they are part of HTML
16:30:48 [fesch]
sm: divergence of HTML spec vs WG spec
16:31:01 [janina]
ack r
16:31:11 [JF]
ack JF
16:31:24 [fesch]
rs: referencing modules...
16:32:00 [fesch]
lw: ... stuff has been rewritten... less understandable
16:32:15 [fesch]
rs: how is it different how is it modularized?
16:32:21 [ShaneM]
ARIAINHTML is still referenced from the WhatWG Living Standard references page: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/references.html
16:32:41 [LJWatson]
https://www.w3.org/html/landscape/
16:33:17 [fesch]
lw: everything after can be found in landscape up until December
16:34:19 [fesch]
lw: the questions are good, can you ask them on the HTML list
16:34:32 [MichielBijl]
Address of the list: public-html@w3.org
16:34:52 [MichielBijl]
Archive of the list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/
16:35:11 [fesch]
lw: beneficial if you can ask questions on HTML list -
16:36:07 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/webcrypto-key-discovery/ WebCrypto Key Discovery
16:36:53 [fesch]
mc: don't think we need to review
16:37:38 [fesch]
sm: accessibility issue related but not this spec, client side keys - want to watch this space
16:37:58 [fesch]
mc: need a discussion with security group
16:38:26 [fesch]
mc: put on Janina/Rich list
16:38:59 [fesch]
sm: don't allow client side key generation anymore
16:39:10 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:39:10 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html" taken up [from janina]
16:41:02 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:41:21 [fesch]
js: DRM module has use cases where there is a problem with accessibility... I think there was an action AFB had...
16:42:25 [fesch]
js: publisher of a media file, is not always the one to add captioning... did we sync with them on this?
16:43:26 [fesch]
jf: question is around encryption around the media - only possible issue is if media and accessibility track (captions) were done differently/encrpytion - most doesn't encrypt anything
16:44:03 [fesch]
jf: solution wrap everything together and encrypt entire band...
16:44:16 [fesch]
js: I think that is adequate
16:44:58 [fesch]
js: spec is OK... need to document in wiki
16:45:12 [JF]
Q+
16:45:37 [janina]
ack jf
16:46:06 [fesch]
jf: we need to make the distinction between EME and DRM...
16:46:55 [chaals]
[FYI ShaneM I plan to raise issues for extensions that are part of HTML, but lack pointers from HTML - e.g. add attributes in the relevant place, with pointers to the defining specs.]
16:46:57 [fesch]
js: there is an Open Source issue can't reverse engineer
16:47:18 [ShaneM]
chaals: I thought you had sent that along. Thanks
16:47:40 [ShaneM]
+1 - EME is the W3C module
16:47:44 [chaals]
s/chaals:/[chaals,/
16:48:18 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:48:18 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html" taken up [from janina]
16:49:01 [fesch]
js: do we have everything?
16:49:24 [fesch]
mc: issue has been sent...
16:50:23 [janina]
q?
16:50:34 [fesch]
mb: section on focus management - only concern we have - should explain what should happen when you do a clipboard action
16:50:48 [fesch]
mb: open an issue on HTML...
16:51:10 [fesch]
lw: if we have time to do it...
16:51:48 [fesch]
mc: marking complete in the wiki, MB to update wiki page when he files an HTML issue
16:51:56 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:51:56 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html" taken up [from janina]
16:52:20 [fesch]
zakim, close item
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I don't understand 'close item', fesch
16:52:35 [fesch]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 6 closed
16:52:37 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
16:52:41 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:52:41 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
16:52:53 [ShaneM]
scribenick: ShaneM
16:52:57 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:53:23 [ShaneM]
fesch: Not a big problem with it. It was just an update of an older document. But Rich had some problems with it.
16:54:13 [ShaneM]
Rich: Concern about the object model CSS. We need to care about how it is exposed to test tools and ATs.
16:54:34 [ShaneM]
... we need to know how the information is conveyed out of it. That's where CSS content injection takes place.
16:54:41 [ShaneM]
janina: is this a candidate for the API spec?
16:54:43 [ShaneM]
Rich: Yes.
16:55:26 [ShaneM]
... Beau (sp?) spent time talking with the CSS working group about this last week. They are not sure how they will staff it, but something is happening.
16:55:40 [ShaneM]
... they are concerned about how mapping is done with ARIA, SVG, HTML etc.
16:55:55 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: They want ARIA to coordinate these activities.
16:56:14 [ShaneM]
janina: We need to specify what we need specified. But there may be questions we need to kick around until we have a good solution.
16:56:35 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Note that I will not be around next Monday.
16:57:00 [ShaneM]
zakim, agenda?
16:57:00 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:57:01 [Zakim]
7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
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8. Other Business [from janina]
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9. next and future meetings [from janina]
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10. be done [from janina]
16:57:26 [ShaneM]
janina: spec review of CSSOM is complete. We need to cover this in the API discussions.
16:58:09 [ShaneM]
rrsagent. make minutes
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s/rrsagent. make minutes//
16:58:24 [ShaneM]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
16:58:29 [fesch]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html fesch
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18:52:08 [janina]
rrsagent, part
18:52:08 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [1]
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