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15:50:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:50:39 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2016
15:50:44 <janina> agenda?
15:50:51 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:50:52 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:50:52 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:50:52 <janina> agenda+ MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html
15:50:54 <janina> agenda+ Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html
15:50:57 <janina> agenda+ Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html
15:51:00 <janina> agenda+ Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html
15:51:03 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:51:06 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:51:08 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:52:06 <janina>  present+ Janina
15:52:12 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:52:22 <janina> zakim, next item
15:52:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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15:58:16 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
15:58:44 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:01:16 <fesch> present+ fesch
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16:02:37 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schweredtfeger
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16:04:01 <janina> regrets: Mary_Jo, Cynthia, Gottfried
16:04:06 <LJWatson> present+ LJWatson
16:05:21 <JF> Present+ JF
16:06:22 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:06:31 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:06:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
16:06:55 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:06:55 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fesch
16:07:01 <ShaneM> zakim, agenda ?
16:07:01 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
16:07:03 <Zakim> 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
16:07:03 <Zakim> 2. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
16:07:03 <Zakim> 3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:07:04 <Zakim> 4. MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html [from janina]
16:07:04 <Zakim> 5. Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html [from janina]
16:07:05 <Zakim> 6. Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html [from janina]
16:07:05 <Zakim> 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
16:07:05 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from janina]
16:07:06 <Zakim> 9. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:07:06 <Zakim> 10. be done [from janina]
16:07:12 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:08:16 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
16:08:37 <fesch> chair: Janina
16:09:01 <fesch> js: bash will be able to run in a windows terminal
16:09:16 <janina> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/ubuntus-bash-and-linux-command-line-coming-to-windows-10/
16:09:30 <ShaneM> cygwin has had a similar environment available for ages
16:09:35 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:09:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:10:14 <fesch> action-2018
16:10:14 <trackbot> action-2018 -- John Foliot to Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ -- due 2016-04-06 -- OPEN
16:10:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2018
16:10:46 <MichaelC> action-2018 due 1 week
16:10:47 <trackbot> Set action-2018 Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ due date to 2016-04-13.
16:10:54 <fesch> action-2014
16:10:54 <trackbot> action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-09-02 -- OPEN
16:10:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
16:11:05 <fesch> action-2012
16:11:05 <trackbot> action-2012 -- Shane McCarron to Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ -- due 2016-03-30 -- OPEN
16:11:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2012
16:11:25 <MichaelC> action-2012 due 1 week
16:11:25 <trackbot> Set action-2012 Review csp 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/csp3/ due date to 2016-04-13.
16:11:40 <fesch> action-2011
16:11:40 <trackbot> action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-02-24 -- OPEN
16:11:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
16:11:55 <MichaelC> action-2011 due 1 week
16:11:55 <trackbot> Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-04-13.
16:12:06 <fesch> action-2006
16:12:06 <trackbot> action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
16:12:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
16:13:01 <fesch> action-1762
16:13:01 <trackbot> action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-03-09 -- OPEN
16:13:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1762
16:13:38 <fesch> action-1795
16:13:38 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1795 does not exist.
16:13:55 <fesch> action-1751
16:13:55 <trackbot> action-1751 -- Léonie Watson to Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
16:13:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1751
16:14:12 <fesch> action-1750
16:14:12 <trackbot> action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-03-16 -- OPEN
16:14:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750
16:14:49 <MichaelC> close action-2001
16:14:49 <trackbot> Closed action-2001.
16:16:11 <fesch> lw: a couple of wording suggestions and graphics...
16:16:37 <fesch> mc: can we put it on agenda for next week?
16:16:41 <fesch> lw: two weeks
16:16:52 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:16:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:17:12 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol
16:18:06 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model
16:19:44 <fesch> mc: had a problem with an annotation protocol alpha... not sure it is with the data model or protocol
16:20:02 <MichaelC> action: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs
16:20:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2022 - Figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-04-13].
16:20:31 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/ CSS Device Adaptation Module Level 1
16:23:11 <MichaelC> not needed on Low vision, light sensor, battery status, generic sensor api, understanding wcag
16:23:30 <MichaelC> not needed woff
16:23:32 <fesch> mc: web fonts?
16:23:52 <fesch> mc: do we need to track HTML 5.1?
16:23:57 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
16:24:08 <fesch> rs: yes, we have a lot of syncing....
16:24:31 <fesch> js: Leone what do we need to track in HTML?
16:24:49 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:24:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:25:10 <fesch> lw: can help with building community -  HTML 5.1 -
16:25:20 <fesch> rs: what will help is what is different
16:25:41 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/blog/2016/04/working-on-html5-1/
16:26:11 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about longdesc
16:26:23 <Rich> q+
16:26:41 <fesch> lw: can use help with finding parts of the spec which are not readable...
16:26:58 <fesch> lw: file issues on github... a pull request even better
16:26:59 <janina> q?
16:27:12 <janina> ack sh
16:27:12 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about longdesc
16:27:41 <fesch> sm: what is happening with HTML 5 extensions? Are they being rolled in?
16:28:04 <fesch> lw: not taking time to extract features in 5.1
16:28:18 <fesch> lw: from now on introduce as modules
16:28:46 <fesch> sm: are the extensions that are already developed ...
16:29:01 <fesch> lw: longdesc is an extension....
16:29:25 <fesch> lw: ARIA may be taken out and make it's own spec
16:29:37 <ShaneM> q?
16:29:41 <janina> q?
16:29:44 <JF> Q+
16:30:11 <fesch> lw: need to see how modules link up... they are part of HTML
16:30:48 <fesch> sm: divergence of HTML spec vs WG spec
16:31:01 <janina> ack r
16:31:11 <JF> ack JF
16:31:24 <fesch> rs: referencing modules...
16:32:00 <fesch> lw: ... stuff has been rewritten... less understandable
16:32:15 <fesch> rs: how is it different how is it modularized?
16:32:21 <ShaneM> ARIAINHTML is still referenced from the WhatWG Living Standard references page: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/references.html
16:32:41 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/html/landscape/
16:33:17 <fesch> lw: everything after can be found in landscape up until December
16:34:19 <fesch> lw: the questions are good, can you ask them on the HTML list
16:34:32 <MichielBijl> Address of the list: public-html@w3.org
16:34:52 <MichielBijl> Archive of the list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/
16:35:11 <fesch> lw: beneficial if you can ask questions on HTML list -
16:36:07 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webcrypto-key-discovery/ WebCrypto Key Discovery
16:36:53 <fesch> mc: don't think we need to review
16:37:38 <fesch> sm: accessibility issue related but not this spec, client side keys - want to watch this space
16:37:58 <fesch> mc: need a discussion with security group
16:38:26 <fesch> mc: put on Janina/Rich list
16:38:59 <fesch> sm: don't allow client side key generation anymore
16:39:10 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:39:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "MSE Responses (Janina) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0023.html" taken up [from janina]
16:41:02 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:41:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:41:21 <fesch> js: DRM module has use cases where there is a problem with accessibility... I think there was an action AFB had...
16:42:25 <fesch> js: publisher of a media file, is not always the one to add captioning...  did we sync with them on this?
16:43:26 <fesch> jf: question is around encryption around the media - only possible issue is if media and accessibility track (captions) were done differently/encrpytion - most doesn't encrypt anything
16:44:03 <fesch> jf: solution wrap everything together and encrypt entire band...
16:44:16 <fesch> js: I think that is adequate
16:44:58 <fesch> js: spec is OK... need to document in wiki
16:45:12 <JF> Q+
16:45:37 <janina> ack jf
16:46:06 <fesch> jf: we need to make the distinction between EME and DRM...
16:46:55 <chaals> [FYI ShaneM I plan to raise issues for extensions that are part of HTML, but lack pointers from HTML - e.g. add attributes in the relevant place, with pointers to the defining specs.]
16:46:57 <fesch> js: there is an Open Source issue can't reverse engineer
16:47:18 <ShaneM> chaals: I thought you had sent that along.  Thanks
16:47:40 <ShaneM> +1 - EME is the W3C module
16:47:44 <chaals> s/chaals:/[chaals,/
16:48:18 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:48:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Action-2016: Clipboard API (Michiel, Michael) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0039.html" taken up [from janina]
16:49:01 <fesch> js: do we have everything?
16:49:24 <fesch> mc: issue has been sent...
16:50:23 <janina> q?
16:50:34 <fesch> mb: section on focus management - only concern we have - should explain what should happen when you do a clipboard action
16:50:48 <fesch> mb: open an issue on HTML...
16:51:10 <fesch> lw: if we have time to do it...
16:51:48 <fesch> mc: marking complete in the wiki, MB to update wiki page when he files an HTML issue
16:51:56 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:51:56 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Action 2006: EME (John) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Apr/0000.html" taken up [from janina]
16:52:20 <fesch> zakim, close item
16:52:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', fesch
16:52:35 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:52:35 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:52:37 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:52:37 <Zakim> 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
16:52:41 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:52:41 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
16:52:53 <ShaneM> scribenick: ShaneM
16:52:57 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:52:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:53:23 <ShaneM> fesch: Not a big problem with it.  It was just an update of an older document.  But Rich had some problems with it.
16:54:13 <ShaneM> Rich: Concern about the object model CSS.  We need to care about how it is exposed to test tools and ATs.
16:54:34 <ShaneM> ... we need to know how the information is conveyed out of it. That's where CSS content injection takes place.
16:54:41 <ShaneM> janina: is this a candidate for the API spec?
16:54:43 <ShaneM> Rich: Yes.
16:55:26 <ShaneM> ... Beau (sp?) spent time talking with the CSS working group about this last week.  They are not sure how they will staff it, but something is happening.
16:55:40 <ShaneM> ... they are concerned about how mapping is done with ARIA, SVG, HTML etc.
16:55:55 <ShaneM> MichaelC: They want ARIA to coordinate these activities.
16:56:14 <ShaneM> janina: We need to specify what we need specified.  But there may be questions we need to kick around until we have a good solution.
16:56:35 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Note that I will not be around next Monday.
16:57:00 <ShaneM> zakim, agenda?
16:57:00 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:57:01 <Zakim> 7. Action-2020: CSSOM (Fred) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0001.html [from janina]
16:57:01 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from janina]
16:57:01 <Zakim> 9. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:57:02 <Zakim> 10. be done [from janina]
16:57:26 <ShaneM> janina: spec review of CSSOM is complete.  We need to cover this in the API discussions.
16:58:09 <ShaneM> rrsagent. make minutes
16:58:17 <ShaneM> s/rrsagent. make minutes//
16:58:24 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
16:58:29 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-minutes.html fesch
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18:52:08 <janina> rrsagent, part
18:52:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-apa-actions.rdf :
18:52:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cooper to figure out what we previously did on annotation specs [1]
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