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13:55:45 <ivan> Meeting: DPUB IG Locator TF call
13:55:56 <ivan> Chair: Ben De Meester
13:56:00 <ivan> rrsagent, set draft public
13:56:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'set draft public', ivan.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:56:10 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
13:56:45 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Mar/0087.html
13:57:26 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-dpub-loc-minutes.html ivan
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14:00:42 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
14:01:15 <rdeltour> present+ Romain
14:01:27 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
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14:02:21 <lrosenth> testing
14:03:33 <ivan> REgrets: Bill
14:03:47 <ivan> Present+ Leonard
14:05:22 <bjdmeest> scribenick: bjdmeest
14:05:45 <bjdmeest> scribenick: rdeltour
14:06:02 <rdeltour> topic: issue #22
14:06:05 <bjdmeest> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-loc/issues/22
14:06:38 <rdeltour> ben: this is about manifest retrieval from the package. For now there is a note.
14:06:49 <rdeltour> ivan: right. I think we can close it.
14:07:31 <rdeltour> ben: OK, issue close.
14:07:39 <rdeltour> topic: issue #9
14:07:42 <bjdmeest> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-loc/issues/9
14:07:49 <rdeltour> ben: we shouldn't make things more complicated than they are.
14:07:58 <rdeltour> ben: maybe we can just remove that section.
14:08:22 <rdeltour> ivan: I agree
14:08:31 <rdeltour> leanard: right, just remove it
14:08:44 <rdeltour> ben: ok great, let's close this.
14:09:00 <rdeltour> ivan: ben, will you take care of the editing?
14:09:03 <rdeltour> ben: yes
14:09:16 <rdeltour> topic: use cases
14:09:27 <rdeltour> ben: we identified some issues, haven't put them on github yet
14:09:52 <rdeltour> ben: romain, I can go through the minutes and just add them to the github tracker?
14:10:31 <bjdmeest> scribenick: bjdmeest
14:10:40 <bjdmeest> rdeltour: some discussion, not yet clearly defined
14:10:49 <bjdmeest> ... maybe we can define them within our group?
14:11:03 <bjdmeest> ivan: this group could contribute to that effort
14:11:10 <bjdmeest> ... of the general pwp issues
14:11:31 <bjdmeest> rdeltour: there is some overlap, e.g., the ones from leonard and nick
14:11:46 <bjdmeest> ivan: if there are overlaps, I don't think that is a problem
14:12:07 <bjdmeest> ... several use cases that lead to similar requirements, re-enforces those requirements
14:12:49 <bjdmeest> rdeltour: in terms of process: ben, you can go over the minutes and aggregate all mentioned use cases in one document
14:13:36 <bjdmeest> ... to the mailing list or as a new issue
14:13:47 <bjdmeest> ivan: issue tracker might be better
14:14:16 <bjdmeest> rdeltour: maybe all current use cases can be merged into one bigger ues case
14:14:28 <bjdmeest> ... that's up to you
14:14:41 <bjdmeest> ... we can possibly merge smaller use cases into bigger ones
14:16:09 <bjdmeest> ivan: if you can try to abstract the use cases from the previous discussion, then that would be a big help
14:16:47 <bjdmeest> scribenick: rdeltour
14:16:58 <rdeltour> topic: breadcrumbs
14:17:00 <bjdmeest> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-loc/#breadcrumbs
14:17:31 <rdeltour> leonard: interesting idea, but it makes an assumption that you can change a PWP
14:17:51 <rdeltour> ... in the first case (teacher adding annotations) there is potentially changes to the PWP
14:18:01 <rdeltour> ... inside of what we consider the PWP
14:18:19 <rdeltour> ...  I think we have to assume that we can't, that a PWP is unmodifiable
14:18:27 <rdeltour> ... everything needs to be done externally
14:18:43 <rdeltour> ivan: I think it's not an assumption
14:18:57 <rdeltour> ... I agree that there are cases when this is not impossible
14:19:12 <rdeltour> ... there is a possibility that the manifest itself is outside the PWP
14:19:46 <rdeltour> ... there has to be a note that the mechanism relies on the fact that the manifest can be modified
14:19:51 <rdeltour> leonard: yes
14:20:27 <rdeltour> ben: I was wondering if we had to limit this to the fact that the PWP shouldn't be changed
14:20:33 <rdeltour> ivan: you don't change a PWP, you create a new
14:20:47 <rdeltour> leonard: but it's predicated on the fact that you have the right to do that
14:21:08 <rdeltour> ... but really you only need to modfiy the manifest without touching the PWP
14:21:31 <rdeltour> ben: for instance a publishers create a PWP with embedded video and you want to modify this PWP to reference to youtube video
14:21:41 <rdeltour> ... you create a new PWP but maintain the breadcrumbs
14:21:50 <rdeltour> ivan: I think we all agree here
14:21:55 <rdeltour> ben: ok
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14:22:58 <rdeltour> ivan: if we don't have anything left on the agenda I'd like to discuss something
14:23:08 <rdeltour> ... at some point we should discuss how we see the evolution of this document
14:23:17 <rdeltour> ... I have the impression we're close to an end.
14:23:29 <rdeltour> ... it's not clear to my mind what to do with this document when it's finalized
14:24:05 <rdeltour> ... we have 3 interrelated documents: PWP, UC&R, locators
14:24:14 <rdeltour> ... I'd like to head how do you see that
14:24:24 <rdeltour> ... that may lead to editorial work
14:24:37 <rdeltour> leonard: I agree that at some point we have to figure out that problem
14:24:45 <rdeltour> ivan: should I share my views?
14:24:49 <rdeltour> leonard: yes
14:25:11 <rdeltour> ivan: my feeling is that we should converge to have 2 docs, one is the UC doc and the other is PWP
14:25:18 <rdeltour> ... on the long term
14:26:00 <rdeltour> ... that means that you should take over the use cases part of PWP into the UC document
14:26:11 <rdeltour> ... then the PWP doc becomes a more technical document
14:26:20 <rdeltour> ... includes what we did for locators
14:26:37 <rdeltour> ... and the section we have on SW (reworded to make it more agnostic)
14:26:41 <rdeltour> leonard: makes sense
14:27:04 <rdeltour> romain: I like the approach
14:27:39 <rdeltour> ivan: when you and Heather start editing the UC doc, we have to start working on ripping off the PWP document
14:27:50 <rdeltour> leonard: maybe bring the discussion to the larger group?
14:28:23 <rdeltour> ivan: ben you'll probably be asked to summarize our TF work to the larger group, we should propose it at this time.
14:28:49 <rdeltour> ivan: if the locators work is "done", the next big thing is to look at what is the manifest and what information is needed there
14:29:06 <rdeltour> leonard: I do agree on that
14:29:27 <rdeltour> ... but I'm wondering how we address the manifest without addressing the package issue.
14:29:41 <rdeltour> ... but otherwise I do agree that the next big thing is the manfiest
14:33:54 <DanielWeck> bye!
14:33:55 <bjdmeest> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:33:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-dpub-loc-minutes.html bjdmeest
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16:12:11 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:12:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items