<janina> I was the ghost, I think!

<Rich> preseent+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html

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DPUB is publishing the next draft of DPUB-ARIA in the next few weeks

Rich: We need to get the AAM in the same time frame

Tzviya: We have cleaned up the superclasses

Rich: are the section symbols supposed to be present?

Ivan: Not by default

Matt: I didn't add. Styles all went whacky in the last day

Michael: ARIA Ed group was told that ReSpec is broken. Shane is working on it.

Rich: Remove issues related to roles as links

Matt: there are only 2 issues remaining to discuss
... doc-glossref had question of inheriting from link, but it may not always be an active link
... Is this OK?

Rich: Why wouldn't it be activatable?

Markus: sometimes glossary terms are not linked to stand-alone glossary because publisher can't afford to do all the linking
... but it's useful for AT to know that the term is a reference to the glossary

Rich: we could put a state on this, aria disabled="true"

Janina: Is this still a production problem today? Are we protecting legacy content?

Matt: Maybe this is really "keyword" not glossref

Markus: We saw demos based on
... "learning-objective" semantics

Ivan: Recommend adding video of demos from EPUB Summit

Adding "doc-keyword"

matt: doc-locator role has an issue about whether to change name

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#doc-locator

matt: this is the method to return to an element, catch-all means of jumping back from a reference

ivan: wondering about the term. Does it really indicate bi-directionality?
... what about "origin"

Matt: not always one origin

Tzviya: what about "return"?

Matt: Was "refer" at some point

Janina: Origin suggests a path

Matt: I don't know if origin has anything to do with finding way back to reference

Tzviya: Could be basic like "backlink"

<mgylling> +1

change locator to backlink

Tzviya: Matt, Markus, and I discussed doc-title, and doc-subtitle

Matt: We had open issues on both items. People had been using doc-title for various things, including parts of headers, parts of figures, etc
... subtitle is used for things https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#sub-head
... There isn't really a good method for subtitling in HTML
... We don't really think this is DPUB specific, and we would like to see this in ARIA Core

Ivan: the fact that this is in DPUB shouldn't be an issue. Anyone can use this

Rich: I agree
... the issue is whether we have the semantics we need
... we have to get this into browers anyway
... I think the DPUB stuff will be implemented everywhere

Ivan: It's fine to keep it here. And, it's easier for Rich

doc-subtitle is back

Markus: we will add role="doc-assessment"

Matt: assessment is one of the critical ones for education content.

Ivan: Will the definition allow me to use this in scholarly paper in which people make assessments at the end

Tzviya: This is a different kind of assessment. It refers to a interactive testing

Matt: It might not make a difference to processors whether people use this for other types of assessment

Markus: the term "assessment" is very important to education, and it will be tough to change the actual term

Ivan: We may have to create other ARIA Modules

we will not assessment now

Janina: Media Query approach for extended description failed, and we need to consider what approach to take

Ivan: It also seems that aria-linktype (in lieu of @rel) is dead
... To be clear, there is no way to annotate the nature of a link?

Markus: There is no way with a controlled vocab, but many will argue that it is possible with aria-description
... or title

Ivan: it would be helpful for us to understand why aria-linktype was rejected. It is unclear to us what the issue

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