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15:24:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:24:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:24:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:24:18 <trackbot> Date: 17 February 2016
15:24:23 <shawn> Agenda+ Discuss our approach to References
15:24:52 <laura> Hi Wayne!
15:25:08 <allanj> Agenda+ Editors discression
15:25:37 <allanj> Agenda+ Discuss what we want to say about Legibility, Readability, and other things
15:25:45 <shawn> agenda 2 = Comment for editor's discretion https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0029.html
15:26:02 <allanj> Agenda+ Volunteer to work with I18N folks on ideas for approaching script direction issue
15:26:03 <shawn> zakim, agenda order is 2,1,3
15:26:04 <Zakim> ok, shawn
15:26:07 <shawn> agenda?
15:27:10 <shawn> zakim, agenda order is 2,1,4,3
15:27:10 <Zakim> ok, shawn
15:27:13 <shawn> agenda?
15:27:54 <shawn> chair: Jim
15:28:02 <shawn> meeting: Low Vision Task Force
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15:28:55 <shawn> s/Hi Wayne!/
15:29:12 <shawn> s/meeting: Low Vision Task Force/
15:29:42 <shawn> scribe:
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15:31:09 <Srini> +Srini
15:31:39 <allanj> open item 1
15:31:58 <shawn> scribe:Srini
15:32:00 <laura> present+ Laura
15:32:02 <allanj> open item 2
15:33:21 <shawn> +1 for after FPWD
15:33:23 <Srini> Wayne that sounds good
15:33:28 <Srini> Laura sounds good
15:33:35 <shawn> Jim: address after FPWD
15:33:36 <allanj> +1 for after FPWD
15:34:05 <Srini> Resolution: We will deal with placement of tracking oafter FP'WD justification issue
15:34:57 <Srini> RESOLUTION: We will deal with placement of tracking oafter FP'WD justification issue
15:35:02 <shawn> s/We will deal with placement of justification after FPWD/
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15:35:17 <shawn> s/We will deal with placement of tracking oafter FP'WD justification issue/We will deal with placement of justification after FPWD/
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15:36:02 <allanj> close item 2
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15:36:18 <allanj> topic: References
15:36:59 <Srini> Jim: we need to decide how that is going to work with regards to referecnes
15:37:34 <Srini> Jim: we need to see how we are going to work on reference document; John, do you have any thoughts?
15:38:07 <allanj> regrets+ Erich, Andrew
15:38:20 <Srini> Shawn, we put reference in the notes and source. IN the intro we link to the reference pages but we don't have formal references through document
15:38:33 <shawn> s/ John, do you have any thoughts/ Shawn, do you have any thoughts
15:39:03 <Srini> Jim: Stuff is refefenced and we need a link at beginning of the document.  what do we need? do we need a doc? or at the top of the page?
15:39:23 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/References
15:40:12 <Srini> Shwn - what we have is that under each section, there is a reference link and quote of text
15:40:19 <Srini> Jim, OK.
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15:40:36 <Srini> Jim - does anyone have any suggestions / objections?
15:40:52 <jon_avila> present+jon_avila
15:40:56 <Srini> Shwan: wonders if there are multiple references, we might want to put that in here.
15:41:19 <Srini> Shwan: possibly at the very end, we may need to put such stuff.
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15:42:13 <Srini> Wayne have a question, W3C format is straight forward... can we not use?
15:42:43 <Srini> that is so huge. having specific references would be useful.
15:43:22 <Srini> Katie, end up tabbing 5 different references really significant.
15:43:25 <Srini> Katie, you were not clear
15:43:45 <Srini> Wayne, we can put at the end of each section with abbreviated words
15:44:07 <Srini> Shwwn: what about collecting in speerate page for now?
15:44:10 <Srini> Jim, great idea
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15:44:16 <Srini> +1 from Srini too
15:44:23 <Srini> Welcome Andrew
15:44:46 <allanj> s/Jim, great idea/Wayne, great idea
15:44:52 <laura> +1 to what about collecting in speerate page for now
15:45:02 <allanj> regrets- Andrew
15:45:11 <Wayne> +1
15:45:15 <allanj> +1
15:45:15 <shawn> +1 to collecting in a separate page for now and maybe adding them to the main document later
15:45:30 <AWK> +AWK
15:46:04 <shawn> s/Katie, you were not clear/
15:46:06 <Ryladog> +1
15:46:14 <shawn> s/ Katie, /
15:46:24 <Wayne> +Wayne
15:46:28 <Srini> RESOLUTION: Collecting references in seperate page for now and adding them to the main document later
15:46:28 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
15:46:29 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:46:29 <Zakim> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Andrew, JonAvila, allanj, Srini, jon_avila, AWK, Wayne, Katie, Haritos-Shea
15:46:47 <Srini> close item
15:46:54 <Srini> close item 1
15:47:01 <Srini> next item
15:47:10 <shawn> Present: Shawn, Jim, Laura, Andrew, Srini, jon_avila, AWK, Wayne, Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:47:23 <allanj> topic: I18N Script Direction
15:47:24 <shawn> Present: Shawn, Jim, Laura, Andrew, Srini, jon_avila, Wayne, Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:47:47 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/LVTF_Open_Issues#Script_direction
15:47:57 <Srini> next itemwe need volunteers to chat with i18n folks.
15:48:18 <shawn> LVTF Notes: Script direction: Rewrap above and Reflow below are written for left-right and right-left scripts for now for simplicity. We'll edit it to make it generic to apply also vertically to top-to-bottom scripts as appropriate — if we can without complicating it too much, or change it to example only.
15:48:18 <shawn> script vs. language reference says “Languages don't have a direction. Scripts have a writing direction”.
15:48:30 <Srini> Jim, does anyone know contacts?
15:48:59 <Srini> Srini Yes, I know a few W3C staff in India who work on localization
15:49:09 <shawn> I18N Working Group participants https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32113
15:49:14 <Srini> Jim, says it's great idea to see what languages etc out there
15:49:25 <Srini> Katie can work with Japaneese etc.,
15:49:52 <Srini> User needs and text direction for different languages.
15:49:55 <shawn> also "Some people find it easier to track from the end of one line to the next with full justification, and others prefer left justification (for left-to-right scripts)."
15:50:14 <Srini> Wayne, for some people it would be horizantla scrolling and for some it would be vertical
15:50:46 <allanj> action: Srini to review I18N issues with Katie
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15:50:59 <Srini> Katie, I also recall a few things before
15:51:47 <Srini> Andrew that owuld be an interesting thing to know
15:51:59 <Srini> Katie, anyone is going to be at CSUN?
15:52:14 <Srini> Shawn, may be we should try for a brief meeting
15:52:25 <Srini> Andrew, Jim, Shwan, Wayne, Katie will be at CSUN
15:52:28 <shawn> fyi, in Easy Checks <https://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/preliminary.html> we said "Tab order: Check that the tab order follows the logical reading order (e.g., for left-to-right languages: top to bottom, left to right) in sequence." but I think it would bee too complicated to do that in our doc for "3.2.1 Rewrap for One Direction Scrolling" & "3.2.2 Reflow to Single Column"
15:52:35 <Srini> Srini is not there
15:52:51 <laura> Laura won’t be there.
15:53:13 <Srini> Jon Avila will be at CSUN
15:53:21 <Srini> Laura will not be there
15:53:24 <Srini> enjoy
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15:53:59 <Srini> close item 4
15:54:03 <Srini> next item
15:54:03 <jon_avila> zakim, list attendees
15:54:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shawn, Jim, Laura, Andrew, Srini, jon_avila, Wayne, Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:54:29 <allanj> Topic: Legibility, Readability, etc
15:54:47 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Research
15:54:50 <Srini> Jim asking Wayne
15:55:18 <Srini> Wayne, I  am waiting for feedback from Gordon
15:55:30 <Srini> Jim, Jon or anyone else have anything to add?
15:55:32 <allanj> s/Gordon/Gordon Legge
15:56:09 <Srini> Shwan, thinking about first to understand the range the terms and ideas used for literature
15:56:26 <Srini> Critical font size etc., to get good understanding to figure out in our document.
15:56:43 <Srini> it should be in layman language than research language.
15:57:28 <Srini> Jim, we can put in researches but in plain language
15:57:48 <shawn> q+
15:57:58 <Srini> Jim, we just need more research and wait for feedback from Gordon etc., after our FPWD.
15:57:59 <shawn> ack me
15:58:14 <laura> q+
15:58:23 <Srini> Laura, welcome
15:58:54 <Srini> Laura, it was brilliant. Seems to talk about critical font size, some of the issues like ofnt face
15:59:13 <Srini> that is interesting for the first one that we don't have yet
15:59:41 <Srini> Wayne, I think it was Jon if we look at the data 1989 and 1990 there was an article
16:00:03 <Srini> lot of this stuff are talking about readability until we have web.
16:00:08 <shawn> q+ to ask people to put quotes around direct quotes (or blockquote) to differentiate between our comments
16:00:12 <shawn> ack laura
16:00:13 <Srini> Laura wondering if we need glossary
16:00:45 <Srini> Katie, we point to wikipedia, articles are pretty well written.
16:00:58 <Srini> Katie, there is no better place. it would be nice have
16:01:03 <Srini> Jim, Yes.
16:02:00 <shawn> s/ Katie, we point to wikipedia, articles are pretty well written./Shawn: for rivers we point to wikipedia - which is not great but it's a well-referenced article
16:02:02 <Srini> Jim: there is nothing against glossary by one
16:02:09 <Srini> Jim: that sounds like a good idea
16:02:18 <Srini> Katie: +1
16:02:21 <Srini> Srini: +1
16:02:42 <allanj> +1
16:02:43 <shawn> s/Katie, there is no better place. it would be nice have/Shawn: didn't find a better pointer. it would be nice have this term in a glossary
16:03:17 <Srini> Jim: we will put this on Wiki until we have a page
16:03:28 <Srini> Laura: voulenteers to create a page
16:03:32 <Srini> Jim: Thanks, Laura
16:03:54 <Srini> Jim: Put that right under references on main page of our wiki.
16:03:58 <Srini> Laura: Will do
16:05:10 <Srini> Shawn: for FPWD, should we just reference to WCAG doc?
16:05:40 <Srini> Shwan: FPWD, can we add a note and then to wiki link?
16:05:48 <allanj> +1
16:05:49 <Srini> Laura: That sounds good
16:06:00 <shawn> s/for FPWD, should we just reference to WCAG doc?/
16:06:34 <Srini> RESOLUTION: add a note, we will be adding a glossary to work and leave wiki link for now
16:06:52 <shawn> agenda?
16:06:56 <shawn> q?
16:07:25 <Srini> close item 3
16:07:34 <Srini> next item
16:08:04 <Srini> close item 3
16:08:22 <shawn> s/we will be adding a glossary to work and leave wiki link for now/in FPWD add a draft note that we will add a glossary def for this and leave the wikipedia link for now
16:09:02 <shawn> topic: WCAG WG Approval & EOWG Review
16:10:09 <Srini> EOWG is a commenting body and WCAG WG is approval body
16:10:26 <shawn> AWK: WCAG WG approved
16:10:34 <Srini> Jim: next step in process is to send to W3C Judy and get announcement etc.
16:10:42 <Srini> Shawn: that is me
16:10:55 <Srini> Andrew: Jim needs to write a blog post
16:11:09 <shawn> s/Jim needs to write a blog post/Jim needs to write a blog post ;-)
16:11:13 <shawn> ack me
16:11:13 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask people to put quotes around direct quotes (or blockquote) to differentiate between our comments
16:11:38 <allanj> topic: Research & References
16:11:52 <Srini> Shwan: both research page and reference page, if you are coding directly something, there is some places we might have additional comments, we need to clear direct coding
16:12:18 <allanj> s/coding/quoting
16:12:26 <shawn> Jim needs to write a blog post
16:13:22 <Srini> Jim: is there a wiki code for direct quote vs comment?
16:13:51 <Srini> Shawn: we can put <blockquote> in wiki
16:14:12 <Srini> Shwan: asking wayne if there is a better way
16:14:22 <Srini> Wayne: not sure, I have troubel doing wiki stuff.
16:14:42 <Srini> Jim: will keep it open for now.
16:14:55 <Srini> Jim: will look into it.
16:15:12 <Srini> Jim: will go through the research page too
16:15:19 <shawn> q+ to ask about blog
16:15:21 <allanj> Action: Jim add blockquote to References and Research pages appropriately
16:15:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add blockquote to references and research pages appropriately [on Jim Allan - due 2016-02-24].
16:15:27 <shawn> ack me
16:15:27 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about blog
16:16:19 <Srini> Shwan: last one was wondering if there are any reactions about blog. Shawn will be working on announcements
16:16:32 <Srini> Jim: Is there more traffic on blog posts as opposed to email?
16:16:43 <Srini> Jim: it goes to IG
16:16:56 <Srini> Shawn: Yes, on IG,
16:17:30 <Srini> Andrew: it would be tough to get a blog post thinks we should go with email and tweet
16:17:38 <Srini> Shwan: I'll send out a draft
16:18:04 <Srini> Jim: Jon, do you have any other issues on FPWD?
16:18:11 <shawn> s/Shwan: I'll send out a draft/Shwan: I'll send out a draft/
16:18:12 <Srini> Jon: no
16:18:23 <shawn> s/Jon, do you have any other issues on FPWD?/Shawn, do you have any other issues on FPWD?
16:18:30 <Srini> Jim: let's rap up. see you all next week
16:18:31 <shawn> s/Jon: no/
16:18:50 <Srini> trackbot, close meeting
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16:19:06 <Srini> trackbot, end meeting
16:19:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:19:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shawn, Jim, Laura, Andrew, Srini, jon_avila, Wayne, Katie_Haritos-Shea
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16:19:15 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:19:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Srini to review I18N issues with Katie [1]
16:19:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-lvtf-irc#T15-50-46
16:19:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jim add blockquote to References and Research pages appropriately [2]
16:19:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-lvtf-irc#T16-15-21