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13:08:03 <jhund> Zakim, pick a scribe
13:08:03 <Zakim> I don't who is present, jhund
13:08:12 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:08:12 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:08:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see mkovatsc, mdadas, Roy_, tidoust, Darko_Anicic, toru, dromasca, jhund, taki, dape, katsu, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, michael, schuki, tobie, trackbot
13:08:21 <dape> scribe: dape
13:08:25 <dape> scribeNick: DP
13:08:49 <dape> Johannes: Goes over agenda
13:09:01 <dape> ... 1. tech landscape deliverable
13:09:18 <dape> ... 2. current-practices deliverable
13:09:40 <dape> ... 3. charter candidate items
13:09:40 <tidoust> Present+ Johannes_Hund, Ari_Keranen, Carsten_Bormann, Dan_Romascanu, Daniel_Peintner, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Kaz_Ashimura, Matthias_Kovatsch
13:09:41 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Johannes_Hund, Ari_Keranen, Carsten_Bormann, Dan_Romascanu, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Francois_Daoust, Frank_Reusch, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Mohammed_Dadas, Roy_Kawada, Takuki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi
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13:09:54 <dape> ... 4. WoT API
13:10:12 <dape> ... any comments/additions?
13:10:20 <dape> <none>
13:10:44 <Sebastian> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:11:17 <dape> Johannes: did outreach to Jeremy... maybe he and Peter St. Andre might join
13:11:28 <dape> ... sorry for the short notice
13:11:40 <dape> TOPIC: tech landscape deliverable
13:11:54 <dape> Johannes: can be found here, http://w3c.github.io/wot/landscape.html
13:12:09 <dape> ... points transfered from Wiki
13:12:40 <dape> ... need someone taking care of HTTP/2
13:12:56 <dape> ... Dave will contribute to WebSocket
13:13:20 <dape> ... Matthias for CoAP
13:13:33 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:13:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
13:13:46 <dape> Matthias: OK, can do that... was so far working on TD document
13:13:57 <dape> Johannes: Yes, the two documents confuse
13:14:16 <kaz> Chair: Johannes
13:14:18 <dape> ... MQTT handled by Dave and Michael
13:14:23 <kaz> Meeting: WoT-AP
13:14:42 <dape> ... I (Johannes) will provide infos and outreach to XMPP
13:14:48 <kaz> i/Goes over/scribenick: dape/
13:14:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
13:14:59 <dape> ... we need someone for STOM
13:15:03 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Feb/0032.html
13:15:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:15:28 <dape> Carsten: think we should skip protocols if no-one thinks it is useful
13:15:36 <dape> Johannes: agree
13:15:39 <kaz> q+
13:16:12 <dape> ... Kaz to provide infos about MMI
13:16:19 <kaz> ack k
13:16:22 <dape> Kaz: Did outreach already
13:16:39 <dape> Johannes: Claes added Thread.. thanks for that
13:17:16 <dape> ... Discovery section might be moved to a dedicated section.. will clarify that with Soumya
13:18:12 <dape> ... Carsten/Matthias can you take care of IETF CoRE protocol mapping, also move it accordingly.
13:18:41 <dape> Carsten: Matthias, can you co-ordinate the efforts.. I am happy to help providing text
13:19:19 <dape> Johannes: description in TD, protocol-related to this document
13:19:46 <dape> Matthias: Not sure if I fully understood the split between the 2 documents...
13:20:02 <dape> ... can try to make a good divide
13:20:43 <dape> ... OMA... Mohammed could you contribute?
13:20:55 <dape> Mohammed: Yes, I will...
13:21:21 <dape> ... may also merge OMA and OMA lightweight part
13:21:44 <dape> Johannes: Agree, feel free to merge them
13:23:00 <dape> ... fyi: the 4 topics in the end of Section "4.2" are meant to be filled in in all entries
13:24:02 <dape> Johannes: God API and lightweight M2M still separate?
13:24:10 <kaz> s/God/Got
13:24:37 <dape> Mohammed: I think we should have one OMA section  with those 2 as subsections
13:25:31 <dape> Johannes: Michael to provide OIC part?
13:26:01 <dape> Michael: yes, I am in contact with relevant Samsung people already
13:26:18 <kaz> q+
13:26:40 <dape> Carsten: BTW, At next research group meeting we are going to get in contact with them
13:27:00 <dape> Johannes: Michael again for IPSO Alliance?
13:27:26 <dape> Michael: I am not directly involved anymore.. but I can provide information
13:28:05 <dape> Johannes: w.r.t. oneM2M, Soumya planned to outreach Martin B and Omar
13:28:21 <dape> ... not sure about Hyper Cat
13:28:34 <dape> ... will maybe talk to Soumya
13:29:02 <dape> Michael: think it is more about thing description... but the topics are expanding
13:29:18 <dape> ... just a template. no vocabulary.
13:29:58 <dape> ... however I know people. I could reach out to Hyper Cat people
13:31:01 <dape> Johannes: OGC: Dave will outreach
13:31:30 <dape> Michael: they do have something called sensor thing API.. I think it is relevant
13:32:18 <dape> ... Steve Liang might be able to respond questionnaire
13:33:44 <dape> Johannes:  adds empty questionnaire template
13:34:26 <dape> ... the same questionnaire for ECHONET
13:34:53 <dape> Naka-San: added information to wiki already
13:35:09 <dape> Johannes: thanks!
13:36:01 <dape> ... w.r.t API section
13:36:31 <dape> ... added 4.3 section
13:36:35 <dape> ... content from wiki
13:37:15 <dape> ... server-side links to backend projects
13:37:41 <dape> ... client-side scripting APIs I copied from wiki
13:37:50 <dape> ... W3C fetch API
13:38:00 <dape> ... presentation API
13:38:26 <dape> ... geo-location API... Kaz might outreach?
13:38:48 <dape> ... NFC and Bluetooth.... also Kaz
13:39:06 <dape> Johannes: scripting APIs
13:39:28 <dape> ... Generic sensor API.. we had contact with Tobie Langel
13:39:41 <kaz> q+
13:39:44 <dape> ... Vehicle API.. Kaz
13:40:03 <kaz> q?
13:40:19 <dape> ... will outreach johnnyfive developer
13:40:36 <dape> Johannes: embedded runtimes next
13:41:02 <dape> Matthias: there was a project from Samsung.. embedded JS
13:41:26 <dape> Johanens: Jerryscript... good point, will add this item
13:41:43 <dape> Johannes: End of tech landscape.
13:42:34 <dape> ... should try to be done by next conference... in 2 weeks
13:43:09 <dape> TOPIC: current-practices deliverable
13:43:23 <dape> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html
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13:44:03 <dape> Matthias: outlines the current state of current practices document
13:44:17 <dape> ... not a technical specification
13:44:38 <dape> ... more about providing current status... w.r.t. building blocks
13:44:51 <dape> ... so far only the outline
13:45:11 <dape> ... aligned structure according to charter...
13:45:24 <dape> ... 1. thing description
13:45:46 <dape> ... first building block
13:46:17 <dape> ... TD talks about metadata
13:46:38 <dape> ... TD also talks about Capabilities/Interactions
13:47:07 <dape> ... Discovery is also part of TD
13:47:24 <dape> ... security considerations of TD finalize the TD part
13:47:38 <dape> ... 2. block is protocol mapping
13:48:06 <dape> ... as part of it resource models are handled
13:48:15 <dape> ... next available bindings
13:48:27 <dape> ... and also the security considerations
13:48:46 <dape> ... last part is Scripting API
13:49:19 <dape> ... is about servients, discovery API, client, server API, and physical API
13:49:32 <dape> ... also security considerations w.r.t to Scripting API
13:49:51 <dape> ... Section 4 is about previous plugfests
13:50:08 <dape> ... findings should be mentioned there
13:50:34 <dape> ... Conclusions is more about arguments "why is it as it is"
13:51:01 <dape> Johannes: Questions/comments?
13:51:37 <dape> Matthias: What do people think about "new" structure... not having a 100% fit of task forces?
13:53:05 <dape> Kaz: Everyone adding content to github.. not wiki, correct?
13:53:39 <dape> Johannes: Yes, I think it is better to add it do document directly..
13:53:41 <kaz> s/Evreryone/started discussion with Tobie and automotive guys. BTW, everybody/
13:54:01 <dape> ... document provides direct "edit" link
13:55:48 <dape> Kaz: between Tobie and Automotive guys two interfaces arised (Script, WoT socket Interface)
13:56:04 <dape> Johannes: How should we best proceed?
13:56:28 <dape> Kaz: Will ask for availability for next AP call
13:56:42 <kaz> s/ask for/ask them about/
13:57:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
13:57:19 <dape> Johannes: ...back to current practices document
13:57:34 <dape> ... comments on document and also on the structure?
13:58:32 <dape> Michael: we discussed about Web API and scripting API. We could put API under protocol?
13:58:59 <dape> Johannes: resource model is meant to be Web API...
13:59:16 <dape> ... does that work for you Michael?
13:59:25 <dape> Michael: Yes
13:59:53 <kaz> s/Everyone/sorry but had difficulty with audio connection, and would ask about the landscape document. I've started some discussion with Tobie and automotive guys, but everybody/
13:59:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:00:02 <dape> Matthias: TD and resource model
14:00:26 <dape> .. not sure whether it helps to explain WebAPI
14:01:01 <kaz> s| s/Evreryone/started discussion with Tobie and automotive guys. BTW, everybody/||
14:01:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
14:01:11 <dape> ... even not sure whether needed... have TD and protocol mappings
14:02:02 <dape> Johannes: might be useful to say "resource model/WebAPI" .. not sure about wording
14:03:03 <dape> Michael: scripting API has TD
14:03:32 <dape> Matthias: not sure.. maybe some parts only...
14:04:25 <dape> Matthias: TD on higher level... rename "protocol mapping" to "WebAPI"
14:04:46 <dape> ... is a working document... can clarify it step by step
14:05:12 <dape> Michael: WebAPI with protocol mapping subsection
14:05:30 <dape> Johannes: yes, should work
14:06:31 <dape> Darko: Do we need section in TD for integration with other contextual semantic work?
14:07:27 <dape> Daniel: Feel free to fire pull request...
14:07:53 <dape> Johannes: Yes, good point. Please add comments/pull requests and such
14:08:26 <dape> TOPIC: WG charter candidate items, https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/WG/wot-wg-items.md
14:09:09 <dape> Johannes: Sebastian merged document from TD, AP, SP, and DI
14:09:35 <dape> ... Oliver mentioned it is better to have security aspects in dedicated parts
14:09:53 <dape> ... now we should try to conclude on this
14:10:14 <dape> ... dateline ended last Friday...
14:10:34 <dape> ... however, please still comment
14:11:06 <dape> s/dateline ended last Friday.../dateline is next Friday...
14:11:16 <kaz> s/dateline/deadline
14:11:31 <dape> Johannes: any comments here?
14:11:45 <dape> <none>
14:11:56 <dape> TOPIC: The WoT API
14:12:25 <dape> Johannes: I added pull-request
14:12:38 <dape> ... is merged aleady
14:12:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/64/files Johannes's pull request
14:13:06 <dape> ... will try to move it to current practices document
14:13:20 <dape> ... so far we had interface "Thing"
14:13:36 <dape> ... now we have "ExposedThing"
14:13:55 <dape> ... one can add handler
14:14:05 <dape> s/handler/handlers
14:14:41 <dape> ... might end up with a well-known eventName for events
14:15:04 <dape> ... the "Thing" interface was renamed to "ConsumedThing"
14:15:21 <dape> ... about get/set property... call action
14:15:47 <dape> ... nothing in the document about physical API yet
14:15:55 <dape> ... ongoing discussion
14:16:16 <dape> ... commit was mainly about splitting server-side and client-side
14:16:46 <dape> ... in Nice we also discussed there are commonalities
14:17:31 <dape> Johannes: feel free to edit ... or raise issues
14:17:37 <dape> .. so far we have 3 issues..
14:17:56 <dape> ... one by Claes w.r.t. to security
14:18:02 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/49 security/privacy issue
14:18:31 <dape> ... we might need to have a token ... or handled in callbacks
14:18:37 <dape> ... need to address that
14:19:03 <dape> ... next issue is about ThingFilter...
14:19:23 <dape> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/50
14:19:53 <kaz> s|https:|-> https:|
14:20:04 <dape> ... Louya proposed a new filter class
14:20:08 <kaz> s|50|50 ThingFilter issue
14:20:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:21:03 <dape> ... we might have different types of filter
14:23:31 <dape> .... third discussion about API use
14:23:54 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/63
14:24:31 <kaz> s|63|63 Thing Observe Property issue
14:24:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:25:01 <dape> Daniel: place for issues.. e.g. name clashed
14:25:10 <dape> Dark: What do you mean by name clashes
14:26:06 <dape> s/Dark/Darko
14:26:39 <dape> Daniel: TD allows you have the same "name" for action and properties
14:26:56 <dape> ... API does not allow you to do so...
14:27:33 <dape> Johannes: Not sure whether we have assumptions on the model...
14:28:12 <dape> Darko: yes, we might have those assumptions stated in TD
14:28:30 <dape> ... in plugfest we currently did not encounter those issues
14:29:42 <dape> Daniel: Agree, we need to state our assumptions  somewhere
14:30:05 <dape> Johannes: I think the current practices document is a good place
14:31:09 <dape> Matthias: text could be in document... but validator by means of TD ontology also
14:31:54 <dape> Johannes: wrap up
14:32:08 <Darko_Anicic> Darko: yes, we can add such restrictions to TD ontology
14:32:44 <dape> ... tech landscape deadline in 2 weeks
14:33:14 <dape> ... WG charter items.. deadline, please comment
14:33:35 <dape> Johannes: Thanks!
14:33:54 <kaz> s/... tech/Johannes: tech/
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