IRC log of wot-ap on 2016-02-10

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13:08:03 [jhund]

Zakim, pick a scribe

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I don't who is present, jhund

13:08:12 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

13:08:12 [Zakim]

Present: (no one)

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On IRC I see mkovatsc, mdadas, Roy_, tidoust, Darko_Anicic, toru, dromasca, jhund, taki, dape, katsu, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, michael, schuki, tobie, trackbot

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scribe: dape

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scribeNick: DP

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Johannes: Goes over agenda

13:09:01 [dape]

... 1. tech landscape deliverable

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... 2. current-practices deliverable

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... 3. charter candidate items

13:09:40 [tidoust]

Present+ Johannes_Hund, Ari_Keranen, Carsten_Bormann, Dan_Romascanu, Daniel_Peintner, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Kaz_Ashimura, Matthias_Kovatsch

13:09:41 [kaz]

present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Johannes_Hund, Ari_Keranen, Carsten_Bormann, Dan_Romascanu, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Francois_Daoust, Frank_Reusch, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Mohammed_Dadas, Roy_Kawada, Takuki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi

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13:09:54 [dape]

... 4. WoT API

13:10:12 [dape]

... any comments/additions?

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<none>

13:10:44 [Sebastian]

present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch

13:11:17 [dape]

Johannes: did outreach to Jeremy... maybe he and Peter St. Andre might join

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... sorry for the short notice

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TOPIC: tech landscape deliverable

13:11:54 [dape]

Johannes: can be found here, http://w3c.github.io/wot/landscape.html

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... points transfered from Wiki

13:12:40 [dape]

... need someone taking care of HTTP/2

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... Dave will contribute to WebSocket

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... Matthias for CoAP

13:13:33 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

13:13:38 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:13:38 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

13:13:46 [dape]

Matthias: OK, can do that... was so far working on TD document

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Johannes: Yes, the two documents confuse

13:14:16 [kaz]

Chair: Johannes

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... MQTT handled by Dave and Michael

13:14:23 [kaz]

Meeting: WoT-AP

13:14:42 [dape]

... I (Johannes) will provide infos and outreach to XMPP

13:14:48 [kaz]

i/Goes over/scribenick: dape/

13:14:51 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

13:14:59 [dape]

... we need someone for STOM

13:15:03 [kaz]

Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Feb/0032.html

13:15:04 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

13:15:28 [dape]

Carsten: think we should skip protocols if no-one thinks it is useful

13:15:36 [dape]

Johannes: agree

13:15:39 [kaz]

q+

13:16:12 [dape]

... Kaz to provide infos about MMI

13:16:19 [kaz]

ack k

13:16:22 [dape]

Kaz: Did outreach already

13:16:39 [dape]

Johannes: Claes added Thread.. thanks for that

13:17:16 [dape]

... Discovery section might be moved to a dedicated section.. will clarify that with Soumya

13:18:12 [dape]

... Carsten/Matthias can you take care of IETF CoRE protocol mapping, also move it accordingly.

13:18:41 [dape]

Carsten: Matthias, can you co-ordinate the efforts.. I am happy to help providing text

13:19:19 [dape]

Johannes: description in TD, protocol-related to this document

13:19:46 [dape]

Matthias: Not sure if I fully understood the split between the 2 documents...

13:20:02 [dape]

... can try to make a good divide

13:20:43 [dape]

... OMA... Mohammed could you contribute?

13:20:55 [dape]

Mohammed: Yes, I will...

13:21:21 [dape]

... may also merge OMA and OMA lightweight part

13:21:44 [dape]

Johannes: Agree, feel free to merge them

13:23:00 [dape]

... fyi: the 4 topics in the end of Section "4.2" are meant to be filled in in all entries

13:24:02 [dape]

Johannes: God API and lightweight M2M still separate?

13:24:10 [kaz]

s/God/Got

13:24:37 [dape]

Mohammed: I think we should have one OMA section with those 2 as subsections

13:25:31 [dape]

Johannes: Michael to provide OIC part?

13:26:01 [dape]

Michael: yes, I am in contact with relevant Samsung people already

13:26:18 [kaz]

q+

13:26:40 [dape]

Carsten: BTW, At next research group meeting we are going to get in contact with them

13:27:00 [dape]

Johannes: Michael again for IPSO Alliance?

13:27:26 [dape]

Michael: I am not directly involved anymore.. but I can provide information

13:28:05 [dape]

Johannes: w.r.t. oneM2M, Soumya planned to outreach Martin B and Omar

13:28:21 [dape]

... not sure about Hyper Cat

13:28:34 [dape]

... will maybe talk to Soumya

13:29:02 [dape]

Michael: think it is more about thing description... but the topics are expanding

13:29:18 [dape]

... just a template. no vocabulary.

13:29:58 [dape]

... however I know people. I could reach out to Hyper Cat people

13:31:01 [dape]

Johannes: OGC: Dave will outreach

13:31:30 [dape]

Michael: they do have something called sensor thing API.. I think it is relevant

13:32:18 [dape]

... Steve Liang might be able to respond questionnaire

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Johannes: adds empty questionnaire template

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... the same questionnaire for ECHONET

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Naka-San: added information to wiki already

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Johannes: thanks!

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... w.r.t API section

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... added 4.3 section

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... content from wiki

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... server-side links to backend projects

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... client-side scripting APIs I copied from wiki

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... W3C fetch API

13:38:00 [dape]

... presentation API

13:38:26 [dape]

... geo-location API... Kaz might outreach?

13:38:48 [dape]

... NFC and Bluetooth.... also Kaz

13:39:06 [dape]

Johannes: scripting APIs

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... Generic sensor API.. we had contact with Tobie Langel

13:39:41 [kaz]

q+

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... Vehicle API.. Kaz

13:40:03 [kaz]

q?

13:40:19 [dape]

... will outreach johnnyfive developer

13:40:36 [dape]

Johannes: embedded runtimes next

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Matthias: there was a project from Samsung.. embedded JS

13:41:26 [dape]

Johanens: Jerryscript... good point, will add this item

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Johannes: End of tech landscape.

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... should try to be done by next conference... in 2 weeks

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TOPIC: current-practices deliverable

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http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html

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Matthias: outlines the current state of current practices document

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... not a technical specification

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... more about providing current status... w.r.t. building blocks

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... so far only the outline

13:45:11 [dape]

... aligned structure according to charter...

13:45:24 [dape]

... 1. thing description

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... first building block

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... TD talks about metadata

13:46:38 [dape]

... TD also talks about Capabilities/Interactions

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... Discovery is also part of TD

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... security considerations of TD finalize the TD part

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... 2. block is protocol mapping

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... as part of it resource models are handled

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... next available bindings

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... and also the security considerations

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... last part is Scripting API

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... is about servients, discovery API, client, server API, and physical API

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... also security considerations w.r.t to Scripting API

13:49:51 [dape]

... Section 4 is about previous plugfests

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... findings should be mentioned there

13:50:34 [dape]

... Conclusions is more about arguments "why is it as it is"

13:51:01 [dape]

Johannes: Questions/comments?

13:51:37 [dape]

Matthias: What do people think about "new" structure... not having a 100% fit of task forces?

13:53:05 [dape]

Kaz: Everyone adding content to github.. not wiki, correct?

13:53:39 [dape]

Johannes: Yes, I think it is better to add it do document directly..

13:53:41 [kaz]

s/Evreryone/started discussion with Tobie and automotive guys. BTW, everybody/

13:54:01 [dape]

... document provides direct "edit" link

13:55:48 [dape]

Kaz: between Tobie and Automotive guys two interfaces arised (Script, WoT socket Interface)

13:56:04 [dape]

Johannes: How should we best proceed?

13:56:28 [dape]

Kaz: Will ask for availability for next AP call

13:56:42 [kaz]

s/ask for/ask them about/

13:57:15 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

13:57:19 [dape]

Johannes: ...back to current practices document

13:57:34 [dape]

... comments on document and also on the structure?

13:58:32 [dape]

Michael: we discussed about Web API and scripting API. We could put API under protocol?

13:58:59 [dape]

Johannes: resource model is meant to be Web API...

13:59:16 [dape]

... does that work for you Michael?

13:59:25 [dape]

Michael: Yes

13:59:53 [kaz]

s/Everyone/sorry but had difficulty with audio connection, and would ask about the landscape document. I've started some discussion with Tobie and automotive guys, but everybody/

13:59:55 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

14:00:02 [dape]

Matthias: TD and resource model

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.. not sure whether it helps to explain WebAPI

14:01:01 [kaz]

s| s/Evreryone/started discussion with Tobie and automotive guys. BTW, everybody/||

14:01:03 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

14:01:11 [dape]

... even not sure whether needed... have TD and protocol mappings

14:02:02 [dape]

Johannes: might be useful to say "resource model/WebAPI" .. not sure about wording

14:03:03 [dape]

Michael: scripting API has TD

14:03:32 [dape]

Matthias: not sure.. maybe some parts only...

14:04:25 [dape]

Matthias: TD on higher level... rename "protocol mapping" to "WebAPI"

14:04:46 [dape]

... is a working document... can clarify it step by step

14:05:12 [dape]

Michael: WebAPI with protocol mapping subsection

14:05:30 [dape]

Johannes: yes, should work

14:06:31 [dape]

Darko: Do we need section in TD for integration with other contextual semantic work?

14:07:27 [dape]

Daniel: Feel free to fire pull request...

14:07:53 [dape]

Johannes: Yes, good point. Please add comments/pull requests and such

14:08:26 [dape]

TOPIC: WG charter candidate items, https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/WG/wot-wg-items.md

14:09:09 [dape]

Johannes: Sebastian merged document from TD, AP, SP, and DI

14:09:35 [dape]

... Oliver mentioned it is better to have security aspects in dedicated parts

14:09:53 [dape]

... now we should try to conclude on this

14:10:14 [dape]

... dateline ended last Friday...

14:10:34 [dape]

... however, please still comment

14:11:06 [dape]

s/dateline ended last Friday.../dateline is next Friday...

14:11:16 [kaz]

s/dateline/deadline

14:11:31 [dape]

Johannes: any comments here?

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<none>

14:11:56 [dape]

TOPIC: The WoT API

14:12:25 [dape]

Johannes: I added pull-request

14:12:38 [dape]

... is merged aleady

14:12:49 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/64/files Johannes's pull request

14:13:06 [dape]

... will try to move it to current practices document

14:13:20 [dape]

... so far we had interface "Thing"

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... now we have "ExposedThing"

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... one can add handler

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s/handler/handlers

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... might end up with a well-known eventName for events

14:15:04 [dape]

... the "Thing" interface was renamed to "ConsumedThing"

14:15:21 [dape]

... about get/set property... call action

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... nothing in the document about physical API yet

14:15:55 [dape]

... ongoing discussion

14:16:16 [dape]

... commit was mainly about splitting server-side and client-side

14:16:46 [dape]

... in Nice we also discussed there are commonalities

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Johannes: feel free to edit ... or raise issues

14:17:37 [dape]

.. so far we have 3 issues..

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... one by Claes w.r.t. to security

14:18:02 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/49 security/privacy issue

14:18:31 [dape]

... we might need to have a token ... or handled in callbacks

14:18:37 [dape]

... need to address that

14:19:03 [dape]

... next issue is about ThingFilter...

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https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/50

14:19:53 [kaz]

s|https:|-> https:|

14:20:04 [dape]

... Louya proposed a new filter class

14:20:08 [kaz]

s|50|50 ThingFilter issue

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

14:21:03 [dape]

... we might have different types of filter

14:23:31 [dape]

.... third discussion about API use

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/63

14:24:31 [kaz]

s|63|63 Thing Observe Property issue

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

14:25:01 [dape]

Daniel: place for issues.. e.g. name clashed

14:25:10 [dape]

Dark: What do you mean by name clashes

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s/Dark/Darko

14:26:39 [dape]

Daniel: TD allows you have the same "name" for action and properties

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... API does not allow you to do so...

14:27:33 [dape]

Johannes: Not sure whether we have assumptions on the model...

14:28:12 [dape]

Darko: yes, we might have those assumptions stated in TD

14:28:30 [dape]

... in plugfest we currently did not encounter those issues

14:29:42 [dape]

Daniel: Agree, we need to state our assumptions somewhere

14:30:05 [dape]

Johannes: I think the current practices document is a good place

14:31:09 [dape]

Matthias: text could be in document... but validator by means of TD ontology also

14:31:54 [dape]

Johannes: wrap up

14:32:08 [Darko_Anicic]

Darko: yes, we can add such restrictions to TD ontology

14:32:44 [dape]

... tech landscape deadline in 2 weeks

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... WG charter items.. deadline, please comment

14:33:35 [dape]

Johannes: Thanks!

14:33:54 [kaz]

s/... tech/Johannes: tech/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz

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