IRC log of lvtf on 2015-12-16
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 16 December 2015
- 15:35:09 [AWK]
- Zakim, who is here?
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- Present: shawn, wayne, erich, chuck, AWK, Laura
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, AWK, ChuckOp, Erich, Wayne, laura, jeanne, allanj, JohnRochford, shawn, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
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- +ChuckOp
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- +jeanne
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- +allanj
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- +JohnRochford
- 15:36:29 [allanj]
- Topic: FPWD
- 15:36:40 [Erich]
- JA: plan for first public working draft
- 15:37:03 [Erich]
- Chuck: feels it is good to have a deadline
- 15:38:15 [Erich]
- JA: WCAG needs chance to review and approve
- 15:38:35 [laura]
- present+ Laura
- 15:38:57 [Erich]
- Chuck: What state does document need to be in before then?
- 15:39:35 [Erich]
- AWK: Not likely to be a session where in-depth content review takes place, higher level
- 15:40:14 [Erich]
- AWK: at CSUN
- 15:40:39 [Erich]
- JA: Feb 10th target deadline for FPWD
- 15:40:57 [Erich]
- WD: Will we be putting forward succes criteria?
- 15:41:25 [Erich]
- LC: Overview, not success criteria, just yet
- 15:41:42 [shawn]
- s/ LC: Overview, not success criteria, just yet/ SLH: Overview, not success criteria, just yet
- 15:41:51 [Erich]
- JA: Other concerns?
- 15:42:11 [Erich]
- John Rochford: offer to copy-edit first draft when available
- 15:43:14 [Erich]
- SLH: Draft can be edited in the wiki
- 15:44:05 [Erich]
- John Rochford: would prefer to review final drafT before CSUN
- 15:44:23 [allanj]
- close item 2
- 15:44:33 [allanj]
- open item 3
- 15:44:42 [allanj]
- topic: survey results
- 15:44:50 [allanj]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/fineTuneOverview/results
- 15:45:30 [Erich]
- JA: Thanks to all who took the time to complete the survey
- 15:45:46 [Erich]
- ...: we have a few areas that are well done, and a few that are languishing
- 15:45:47 [allanj]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision
- 15:48:54 [AWK]
- q+
- 15:50:18 [Erich]
- JA: Under CLARITY section, Erich suggests changing "changes" to "increases"
- 15:50:33 [Erich]
- AWK: Suggested change would be fine
- 15:50:57 [Erich]
- JA: Change made, as well as removal of duplicate "of"
- 15:52:04 [Erich]
- JA: Verified he is seeing 5 replies, which Shawn is not seeing, and will continue checking
- 15:52:21 [shawn]
- s/JA: Verified he is seeing 5 replies, which Shawn is not seeing, and will continue checking/
- 15:52:34 [allanj]
- topic: perceptual area
- 15:54:46 [shawn]
- q+ to sak if scotoma is adequately covered in other field loss?
- 15:55:00 [shawn]
- ack a
- 15:55:04 [Erich]
- JA: Taking a look at PERCEPTUAL section, Erich raised the idea of including "scotoma" description and symptoms
- 15:55:27 [shawn]
- ack s
- 15:55:27 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to sak if scotoma is adequately covered in other field loss?
- 15:56:11 [Erich]
- AWK: We could include numerous highly medical terms, though want to be mindful of the target audience
- 15:57:43 [JohnRochford]
- +1 to functional, not medical approach
- 15:57:46 [Erich]
- Shawn: It is important that we include the effects of scotoma under "Other Field Loss", but not necessarily the medical term
- 15:59:38 [Erich]
- AWK: We could include that there is detailed medical terminology in the appendix, if not found in the body
- 15:59:59 [allanj]
- inclde at top of document, it covers all topics
- 16:00:00 [JohnRochford]
- I'm not afraid of pictures, just pictures of all of you.
- 16:00:12 [shawn]
- s/I'm not afraid of pictures, just pictures of all of you./
- 16:00:13 [allanj]
- s/inclde/include
- 16:01:17 [Erich]
- JA: Environmental field loss is something we could address at another time, in deference to remaining agenda topics
- 16:01:50 [shawn]
- ACTION: Shawn integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version
- 16:01:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-16 - Integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].
- 16:02:01 [Erich]
- WD: Feels Environmental field loss is worthy of inclusion
- 16:03:31 [Erich]
- AWK: Notes potential for blurring of categorical lines between symptoms and causes
- 16:06:02 [Erich]
- LC: Commingling could potentially be its own section
- 16:07:35 [Erich]
- JA: Should Andrew attempt to include to learn how it fits?
- 16:07:49 [Erich]
- WD: Feels it is a good idea
- 16:07:55 [allanj]
- perhaps tie 'environmental fieldloss' to clarity last sentence.
- 16:08:00 [laura]
- +1
- 16:08:25 [Erich]
- AWK: Is okay with trying it out to see how it fits
- 16:09:11 [allanj]
- scribe: erich
- 16:09:22 [Erich]
- AWK: asks John Rochford for clarification on earlier statement relative to low-vision field loss
- 16:09:40 [allanj]
- ... "Some low vision users experience field loss, or a reduction in their perceptual area."
- 16:11:21 [Erich]
- John Rochford: Finds specific statement confusing and needing clarification
- 16:11:36 [Erich]
- WD: Suggests removing "or"
- 16:12:06 [Erich]
- JA: Asks John Rochford if this would be agreeable
- 16:13:19 [Erich]
- John Rochford: Field Loss is not the only cause of reduction of perceptual area
- 16:14:22 [Erich]
- JA: Feels in our context, where our focus is primarily the web and computer screen, our definition can suffice and does not need the added nuance
- 16:14:30 [Erich]
- John Rochford: Agrees
- 16:17:16 [Erich]
- AWK: Wonders if adding "due to" could help achieve needed clarification or adds confusion
- 16:17:29 [Erich]
- John Rochford; Since we say "Some", fine with "due to"
- 16:17:51 [Erich]
- WD: Seems redundant
- 16:18:04 [AWK]
- trying this: Some low vision users experience field loss - a reduction in their perceptual area.
- 16:18:24 [allanj]
- +1
- 16:18:36 [Wayne]
- +1
- 16:18:42 [JohnRochford]
- +1
- 16:18:42 [laura]
- +1
- 16:18:57 [Erich]
- +1
- 16:19:07 [allanj]
- topic: Luminance
- 16:20:21 [Erich]
- JA: Overview of feedback received
- 16:21:01 [Erich]
- WD: willing to formulate for this section in plain language
- 16:21:36 [Erich]
- WD: Willing to take an ACTION
- 16:21:39 [shawn]
- I propose that this section be re-titled to be more about the functional limitation, like the others — e.g.: Light Sensitivity and Contrast Sensitivity (or Light and Contrast Sensitivity) {Shawn}
- 16:21:55 [ChuckOp]
- I prefer the latter form
- 16:22:11 [JohnRochford]
- +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
- 16:22:13 [allanj]
- Action: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity
- 16:22:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-17 - Write the light and contrast sensitivity [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].
- 16:22:28 [Erich]
- AWK: Shawn has suggestion of Light and Contrast Sensitivity
- 16:22:47 [allanj]
- +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
- 16:23:07 [Erich]
- +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
- 16:23:44 [shawn]
- q+ to mention separate color or combined
- 16:23:48 [shawn]
- ack me
- 16:23:48 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to mention separate color or combined
- 16:25:48 [Erich]
- SLH: Color Perception seems to potentially have too much weight to be separate
- 16:26:06 [allanj]
- topic: Color
- 16:26:24 [Erich]
- John Rochford: Laura has a great write-up
- 16:26:25 [shawn]
- good point, Laura, probably want this *much* simplier and plain language
- 16:26:41 [allanj]
- action: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color Perception
- 16:26:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-18 - Write first draft plain english of color perception [on Laura Carlson - due 2015-12-23].
- 16:26:41 [Erich]
- JA: Laura would you be willing to attempt putting in to plain language?
- 16:26:50 [Erich]
- LC: Willing to take an action
- 16:28:28 [Erich]
- JA: John had a statment of Marsha Use Case, which I had to search down in the document
- 16:28:36 [allanj]
- agenda?
- 16:28:44 [allanj]
- close item 3
- 16:28:57 [Erich]
- AWK: likely holdover
- 16:28:57 [Wayne]
- action: Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
- 16:28:57 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'Use'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.
- 16:29:12 [shawn]
- action: Wayne Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
- 16:29:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-19 - Use cases for wcag issues assigned to low vision [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].
- 16:29:33 [Erich]
- JA: No meeting for the next two weeks due to holiday schedule, and next call will be Jan 6th, 2016
- 16:30:09 [shawn]
- Attendance Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/LVTF-telecons/
- 16:30:22 [Erich]
- ...: Issue on drop shadow contrast referred to us by Wcag
- 16:30:34 [JohnRochford]
- gotta go, folks
- 16:30:47 [allanj]
- topic: wcag issue#98
- 16:31:00 [allanj]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98)
- 16:31:06 [Erich]
- JA: Can use of drop shadow allow to meet the contrast requirement
- 16:32:10 [shawn]
- q+
- 16:32:17 [Erich]
- AWK: Not likely to have an automatic answer to this, though worthy of inclusion and exploration, good to be discussed on the GitHub issue itself and comment
- 16:32:21 [shawn]
- ack me
- 16:32:41 [Wayne]
- q+
- 16:32:54 [Erich]
- SLH: Curious about people's first reactions to it
- 16:32:59 [AWK]
- q+
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- ack wa
- 16:34:10 [Erich]
- WD: Has done some testing, just black and white with controlled luminance, with drop shadow going all the way around
- 16:34:24 [shawn]
- ack a
- 16:34:33 [allanj]
- q+
- 16:34:38 [Erich]
- SLH: Wayne include example in the GitHub dialog
- 16:35:53 [shawn]
- q+
- 16:35:56 [shawn]
- ack a
- 16:36:04 [Erich]
- WD: Some pixels in his testing could meet the standard, but not all
- 16:36:20 [shawn]
- ack s
- 16:36:21 [ChuckOp]
- Apologies, have to drop out.
- 16:37:18 [Erich]
- SLH: Thinking more about a possible study of whether people can see it and designing a test
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- ChuckOp has left #lvtf
- 16:37:45 [shawn]
- Action: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98
- 16:37:45 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-20 - Work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].
- 16:38:10 [laura]
- Bye. Happy Holiday’s.
- 16:38:18 [Erich]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:38:18 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been shawn, wayne, erich, chuck, AWK, Laura, ChuckOp, jeanne, allanj, JohnRochford
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:38:27 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Shawn integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-01-50
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- ACTION: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-22-13
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- ACTION: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color Perception [3]
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-26-41
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- ACTION: Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [4]
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-28-57-1
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wayne Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [5]
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-29-12
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [6]
- 16:38:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-37-45
- 16:38:49 [allanj]
- rrsagent, set logs public