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15:34:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:34:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:34:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:34:54 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2015
15:35:09 <AWK> Zakim, who is here?
15:35:09 <Zakim> Present: shawn, wayne, erich, chuck, AWK, Laura
15:35:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AWK, ChuckOp, Erich, Wayne, laura, jeanne, allanj, JohnRochford, shawn, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
15:35:22 <AWK> +ChuckOp
15:35:28 <AWK> +jeanne
15:35:40 <AWK> +allanj
15:35:49 <AWK> +JohnRochford
15:36:29 <allanj> Topic: FPWD
15:36:40 <Erich> JA: plan for first public working draft
15:37:03 <Erich> Chuck: feels it is good to have a deadline
15:38:15 <Erich> JA: WCAG needs chance to review and approve
15:38:35 <laura> present+ Laura
15:38:57 <Erich> Chuck: What state does document need to be in before then?
15:39:35 <Erich> AWK: Not likely to be a session where in-depth content review takes place, higher level
15:40:14 <Erich> AWK: at CSUN
15:40:39 <Erich> JA: Feb 10th target deadline for FPWD
15:40:57 <Erich> WD: Will we be putting forward succes criteria?
15:41:25 <Erich> LC: Overview, not success criteria, just yet
15:41:42 <shawn> s/ LC: Overview, not success criteria, just yet/ SLH: Overview, not success criteria, just yet
15:41:51 <Erich> JA: Other concerns?
15:42:11 <Erich> John Rochford: offer to copy-edit first draft when available
15:43:14 <Erich> SLH: Draft can be edited in the wiki
15:44:05 <Erich> John Rochford: would prefer to review final drafT before CSUN
15:44:23 <allanj> close item 2
15:44:33 <allanj> open item 3
15:44:42 <allanj> topic: survey results
15:44:50 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/fineTuneOverview/results
15:45:30 <Erich> JA: Thanks to all who took the time to complete the survey
15:45:46 <Erich> ...: we have a few areas that are well done, and a few that are languishing
15:45:47 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision
15:48:54 <AWK> q+
15:50:18 <Erich> JA: Under CLARITY section, Erich suggests changing "changes" to "increases"
15:50:33 <Erich> AWK: Suggested change would be fine
15:50:57 <Erich> JA: Change made, as well as removal of duplicate "of"
15:52:04 <Erich> JA: Verified he is seeing 5 replies, which Shawn is not seeing, and will continue checking
15:52:21 <shawn> s/JA: Verified he is seeing 5 replies, which Shawn is not seeing, and will continue checking/
15:52:34 <allanj> topic: perceptual area
15:54:46 <shawn> q+ to sak if scotoma is adequately covered in other field loss?
15:55:00 <shawn> ack a
15:55:04 <Erich> JA: Taking a look at PERCEPTUAL section, Erich raised the idea of including "scotoma" description and symptoms
15:55:27 <shawn> ack s
15:55:27 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to sak if scotoma is adequately covered in other field loss?
15:56:11 <Erich> AWK: We could include numerous highly medical terms, though want to be mindful of the target audience
15:57:43 <JohnRochford> +1 to functional, not medical approach
15:57:46 <Erich> Shawn: It is important that we include the effects of scotoma under "Other Field Loss", but not necessarily the medical term
15:59:38 <Erich> AWK: We could include that there is detailed medical terminology in the appendix, if not found in the body
15:59:59 <allanj> inclde at top of document, it covers all topics
16:00:00 <JohnRochford> I'm not afraid of pictures, just pictures of all of you.
16:00:12 <shawn> s/I'm not afraid of pictures, just pictures of all of you./
16:00:13 <allanj> s/inclde/include
16:01:17 <Erich> JA: Environmental field loss is something we could address at another time, in deference to remaining agenda topics
16:01:50 <shawn> ACTION: Shawn integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version
16:01:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].
16:02:01 <Erich> WD: Feels Environmental field loss is worthy of inclusion
16:03:31 <Erich> AWK: Notes potential for blurring of categorical lines between symptoms and causes
16:06:02 <Erich> LC: Commingling could potentially be its own section
16:07:35 <Erich> JA: Should Andrew attempt to include to learn how it fits?
16:07:49 <Erich> WD: Feels it is a good idea
16:07:55 <allanj> perhaps tie 'environmental fieldloss' to clarity last sentence.
16:08:00 <laura> +1
16:08:25 <Erich> AWK: Is okay with trying it out to see how it fits
16:09:11 <allanj> scribe: erich
16:09:22 <Erich> AWK: asks John Rochford for clarification on earlier statement relative to low-vision field loss
16:09:40 <allanj> ...  "Some low vision users experience field loss, or a reduction in their perceptual area."
16:11:21 <Erich> John Rochford: Finds specific statement confusing and needing clarification
16:11:36 <Erich> WD: Suggests removing "or"
16:12:06 <Erich> JA: Asks John Rochford if this would be agreeable
16:13:19 <Erich> John Rochford: Field Loss is not the only cause of reduction of perceptual area
16:14:22 <Erich> JA: Feels in our context, where our focus is primarily the web and computer screen, our definition can suffice and does not need  the added nuance
16:14:30 <Erich> John Rochford: Agrees
16:17:16 <Erich> AWK: Wonders if adding "due to" could help achieve needed clarification or adds confusion
16:17:29 <Erich> John Rochford; Since we say "Some", fine with "due to"
16:17:51 <Erich> WD: Seems redundant
16:18:04 <AWK> trying this: Some low vision users experience field loss - a reduction in their perceptual area.
16:18:24 <allanj> +1
16:18:36 <Wayne> +1
16:18:42 <JohnRochford> +1
16:18:42 <laura> +1
16:18:57 <Erich> +1
16:19:07 <allanj> topic: Luminance
16:20:21 <Erich> JA: Overview of feedback received
16:21:01 <Erich> WD: willing to formulate for this section in plain language
16:21:36 <Erich> WD: Willing to take an ACTION
16:21:39 <shawn> I propose that this section be re-titled to be more about the functional limitation, like the others — e.g.: Light Sensitivity and Contrast Sensitivity (or Light and Contrast Sensitivity) {Shawn}
16:21:55 <ChuckOp> I prefer the latter form
16:22:11 <JohnRochford> +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
16:22:13 <allanj> Action: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity
16:22:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Write the light and contrast sensitivity [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].
16:22:28 <Erich> AWK: Shawn has suggestion of Light and Contrast Sensitivity
16:22:47 <allanj> +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
16:23:07 <Erich> +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity
16:23:44 <shawn> q+ to mention separate color or combined
16:23:48 <shawn> ack me
16:23:48 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to mention separate color or combined
16:25:48 <Erich> SLH: Color Perception seems to potentially have too much weight to be separate
16:26:06 <allanj> topic: Color
16:26:24 <Erich> John Rochford: Laura has a great write-up
16:26:25 <shawn> good point, Laura, probably want this *much* simplier and plain language
16:26:41 <allanj> action: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color Perception
16:26:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Write first draft plain english of color perception [on Laura Carlson - due 2015-12-23].
16:26:41 <Erich> JA: Laura would you be willing to attempt putting in to plain language?
16:26:50 <Erich> LC: Willing to take an action
16:28:28 <Erich> JA: John had a statment of Marsha Use Case, which I had to search down in the document
16:28:36 <allanj> agenda?
16:28:44 <allanj> close item 3
16:28:57 <Erich> AWK: likely holdover
16:28:57 <Wayne> action: Use  cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
16:28:57 <trackbot> Error finding 'Use'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:29:12 <shawn> action: Wayne Use  cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
16:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Use  cases for wcag issues assigned to low vision [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].
16:29:33 <Erich> JA: No meeting for the next two weeks due to holiday schedule, and next call will be Jan 6th, 2016
16:30:09 <shawn> Attendance Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/LVTF-telecons/
16:30:22 <Erich> ...: Issue on drop shadow contrast referred to us by Wcag
16:30:34 <JohnRochford> gotta go, folks
16:30:47 <allanj> topic: wcag issue#98
16:31:00 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98)
16:31:06 <Erich> JA: Can use of drop shadow allow to meet the contrast requirement
16:32:10 <shawn> q+
16:32:17 <Erich> AWK: Not likely to have an automatic answer to this, though worthy of inclusion and exploration, good to be discussed on the GitHub issue itself and comment
16:32:21 <shawn> ack me
16:32:41 <Wayne> q+
16:32:54 <Erich> SLH: Curious about people's first reactions to it
16:32:59 <AWK> q+
16:33:04 <AWK> ack wa
16:34:10 <Erich> WD: Has done some testing, just black and white with controlled luminance, with drop shadow going all the way around
16:34:24 <shawn> ack a
16:34:33 <allanj> q+
16:34:38 <Erich> SLH: Wayne include example in the GitHub dialog
16:35:53 <shawn> q+
16:35:56 <shawn> ack a
16:36:04 <Erich> WD: Some pixels in his testing could meet the standard, but not all
16:36:20 <shawn> ack s
16:36:21 <ChuckOp> Apologies, have to drop out.
16:37:18 <Erich> SLH: Thinking more about a possible study of whether people can see it and designing a test
16:37:38 <ChuckOp> ChuckOp has left #lvtf
16:37:45 <shawn> Action: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98
16:37:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].
16:38:10 <laura> Bye. Happy Holiday’s.
16:38:18 <Erich> trackbot, end meeting
16:38:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:38:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shawn, wayne, erich, chuck, AWK, Laura, ChuckOp, jeanne, allanj, JohnRochford
16:38:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:38:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
16:38:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn integrate https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version [1]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-01-50
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity [2]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-22-13
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color Perception [3]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-26-41
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Use  cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [4]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-28-57-1
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wayne Use  cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [5]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-29-12
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [6]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-irc#T16-37-45
16:38:49 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public