IRC log of lvtf on 2015-12-02
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 02 December 2015
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/02-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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- chair: Andrew and Jim
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- present+ jim
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- regrets+ Alan
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- regrets+ Chuck
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- 15:17:55 [allanj]
- agenda?
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- Agenda+ scribe
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- Agenda+ Framework for requirements document
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- Agenda+ Laura's sectional summaries
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- Agenda+ gather example images or online simulators for requirements as necessary.
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- Agenda+ Review questions posed in Yellow Notes sections. They need to be addressed.
- 15:20:13 [JohnRochford]
- Jim, I can't get in to the conf call.
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- access codes being reported as invalid
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- I'm using the ones in your message
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- Has the meeting started?
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- That might be it
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- Good morning to you too!
- 15:23:04 [laura]
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- 15:23:37 [JohnRochford]
- I'm trying. Now finding password.
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- Present: jim
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- present+ Shawn
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- present+ Jeanne
- 15:26:54 [JohnRochford]
- Hi, yes, I used that password. Unbelievably, I was just presented with a CAPTCHA, which is inaccessible to me.
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- I shall try by phone again.
- 15:29:21 [JohnRochford]
- I will send it to you, Jim, via email.
- 15:31:24 [shawn]
- Agenda 2 = Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
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- present+ Laura
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- I'm in WebEx now
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- +AWK
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- +Erich_Manser
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- Zakim, agenda?
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. scribe [from allanj]
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- 2. Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
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- 3. Laura's sectional summaries [from allanj]
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- 4. gather example images or online simulators for requirements as necessary. [from allanj]
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- 5. Review questions posed in Yellow Notes sections. They need to be addressed. [from allanj]
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "scribe" taken up [from allanj]
- 15:36:17 [shawn]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- Present: jim, Shawn, Jeanne, Laura, AWK, Erich_Manser
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- present+ JohnR
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- present+ WayneD
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- Scribe: Laura
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- Zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, scribe, closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
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- Zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories" taken up
- 15:38:11 [Wayne]
- I am having trouble getting in. Working on it.
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- s/I am having trouble getting in. Working on it./
- 15:39:27 [laura]
- AWK: Looking at overview of lowvision Wikii page. Want to move it to Git Hub.
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- AWK: How do we want to use it in the overview?
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- Shawn categories:
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- Luminance and color
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- Visual acuity
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- Perceiving (Letter Characteristics)
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- Spacing for Reading
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- Distinguishing
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- Perceptual area
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- Tracking
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- Point of Regard and Proximity
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- AWK: Initially had some other factors.
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- Printing is missing from list above
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- q?
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- AWK: What makes the most sense?
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- is there a different code?
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- John: list near sighted and farsighted under visual acuity?
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- Shawn: maybe in the overview as it is related to all.
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- Jim: Should focus on: can’t see the screen.
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- AWK: Far more nuanced.
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- Katie+
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- q+
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- Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
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- ack me
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- q+
- 15:50:06 [laura]
- Shawn: We need to find the link to piror minutes
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- ack jo
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- John: Do we need to figure this out now?
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- AWK: Good point.
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- AWK: Is everything captured in the second group?
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- AWK: Don’t think it is a problem.
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- Katie: Think it may be too broad.
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- AWK: Distinguishing may not fit.
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- Katie: Barriers to distinguishing. Or ability to distinguish.
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- q+
- 15:57:24 [Wayne]
- One issue is that individual impairments may imply multiple categories
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- John: why are we going int solutions?
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- ack me
- 15:58:26 [laura]
- Shawn: 2 different things.
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- AWK: Feels like the distinguishing section is more about perceiving element characteristics.
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- Illumination/contrast discussion link added to the Overview Wiki
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- Fatigue occurs in almost conditions.
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- Katie: How about distinguishing and identifying?
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- AWK: The 3 things are definitely related.
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- Jim: Distinguishing is part of the spacing.
- 16:03:37 [shawn]
- how about Distinguishing Elements (e.g., headings)
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- Jim: All closely related.
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- q+
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- ack j
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- John: Suggest don’t get into detail at this point.
- 16:07:17 [laura]
- AWK: look at tweaking these. Perhaps change the headings.
- 16:07:24 [laura]
- John: yes.
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- Katie: the need is the inability to distingusish.
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- awk - requirement is the user needs to be able to distinguish
- 16:09:39 [JohnRochford]
- Clarification: I said "yes" to the characterization that this is a user needs doc, not a solutions doc.
- 16:09:40 [laura]
- AWK: Need to look at categories more.
- 16:10:23 [Ryladog]
- q+ to add that the NEED is to be able to Distinguish and Identify
- 16:12:28 [laura]
- AWK: Tracking feels like they may be needs or solutions.
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- AWK: Overview is general document and a frame work.
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- AWK: shouldn’t be about the solutions.
- 16:14:05 [JohnRochford]
- +1
- 16:14:14 [laura]
- +1
- 16:14:15 [shawn]
- +1 agree to Andrew's overview of the sections & this doc , and next
- 16:14:17 [allanj]
- overview of low vision issues - broad strokes, general. set up a framework/categories
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- requirements of specific user needs based on framework
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- solutions - techniques
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- q+
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- ack ry
- 16:15:19 [Zakim]
- Ryladog, you wanted to add that the NEED is to be able to Distinguish and Identify
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- s/ solutions - techniques/separate doc: solutions - techniques
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- ack wa
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- Katie: Need is to distinguish and identify.
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- Wayne: Wonder if we need a middle section and think of these in terms of POUR.
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- Wayne: Visual acuity is @@ whereas Luminance is @@
- 16:18:04 [laura]
- AWK: one topic for overview is perceptual area
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- AWK: Can have things fit together.
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- AWK: Move text around so that we only have one list
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- s/Visual acuity is @@ whereas Luminance is @@/Visual acuity is physical limitation whereas Luminance is @@
- 16:22:06 [laura]
- Wayne: Kind of losing things with luminance and color. Contrast sensitivity and light sensitivity.
- 16:22:19 [shawn]
- Wayne: contrast sensitivity, light sensitivity, color perception
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- AWK: For overview talk about 3 bullets.
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- …Categories and desired outcomes.
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- Wayne: Hard to measure fatigue. But we need to address it as it is a barrier for users.
- 16:25:24 [laura]
- AWK: Yes, we need to address the fatigue issue.
- 16:26:06 [laura]
- Wayne: Environmental issues are important.
- 16:27:43 [laura]
- AWK: Can move categories to GitHub. Are people okay with that?
- 16:28:35 [laura]
- Shawn: maybe work in the Wiki for a while.
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- q+
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- [ thinking about POUR... most of these are P I think... I agree save this until later ]
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- ack j
- 16:31:14 [allanj]
- jim tackle acuity overview
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- wayne - luiminance and color
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- andrew - perceptual
- 16:32:27 [laura]
- Wayne: Luminance and color
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- Jim: Visual acuity
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- Trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:32:38 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been jim, Shawn, Jeanne, Laura, AWK, Erich_Manser, JohnR, WayneD, Katie, Haritos-Shea
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/02-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items
- 16:32:48 [laura]
- AWK: Perceptual area