IRC log of lvtf on 2015-12-02

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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 02 December 2015
14:43:31 [allanj]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/02-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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chair: Andrew and Jim
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present+ jim
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regrets+ Alan
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regrets+ Chuck
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15:17:55 [allanj]
agenda?
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Agenda+ scribe
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Agenda+ Framework for requirements document
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Agenda+ Laura's sectional summaries
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Agenda+ gather example images or online simulators for requirements as necessary.
15:18:07 [allanj]
Agenda+ Review questions posed in Yellow Notes sections. They need to be addressed.
15:20:13 [JohnRochford]
Jim, I can't get in to the conf call.
15:20:25 [JohnRochford]
access codes being reported as invalid
15:20:34 [JohnRochford]
I'm using the ones in your message
15:20:53 [JohnRochford]
Has the meeting started?
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That might be it
15:21:10 [JohnRochford]
Good morning to you too!
15:23:04 [laura]
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15:23:37 [JohnRochford]
I'm trying. Now finding password.
15:26:28 [shawn]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:26:28 [Zakim]
Present: jim
15:26:34 [shawn]
present+ Shawn
15:26:46 [allanj]
present+ Jeanne
15:26:54 [JohnRochford]
Hi, yes, I used that password. Unbelievably, I was just presented with a CAPTCHA, which is inaccessible to me.
15:27:08 [JohnRochford]
I shall try by phone again.
15:29:21 [JohnRochford]
I will send it to you, Jim, via email.
15:31:24 [shawn]
Agenda 2 = Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
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present+ Laura
15:33:19 [JohnRochford]
I'm in WebEx now
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+AWK
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+Erich_Manser
15:36:08 [AWK]
Zakim, agenda?
15:36:08 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. scribe [from allanj]
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2. Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
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3. Laura's sectional summaries [from allanj]
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4. gather example images or online simulators for requirements as necessary. [from allanj]
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5. Review questions posed in Yellow Notes sections. They need to be addressed. [from allanj]
15:36:15 [AWK]
Zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "scribe" taken up [from allanj]
15:36:17 [shawn]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:36:17 [Zakim]
Present: jim, Shawn, Jeanne, Laura, AWK, Erich_Manser
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present+ JohnR
15:37:07 [Wayne]
present+ WayneD
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Scribe: Laura
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Zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, scribe, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories
15:38:06 [AWK]
Zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "Framework for requirements document https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Categories" taken up
15:38:11 [Wayne]
I am having trouble getting in. Working on it.
15:38:36 [shawn]
s/I am having trouble getting in. Working on it./
15:39:27 [laura]
AWK: Looking at overview of lowvision Wikii page. Want to move it to Git Hub.
15:40:33 [laura]
AWK: How do we want to use it in the overview?
15:41:03 [allanj]
Shawn categories:
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Luminance and color
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Visual acuity
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Perceiving (Letter Characteristics)
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Spacing for Reading
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Distinguishing
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Perceptual area
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Tracking
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Point of Regard and Proximity
15:42:59 [laura]
AWK: Initially had some other factors.
15:43:11 [allanj]
Printing is missing from list above
15:43:29 [JohnRochford]
q?
15:43:31 [laura]
AWK: What makes the most sense?
15:43:53 [Wayne]
is there a different code?
15:44:51 [laura]
John: list near sighted and farsighted under visual acuity?
15:45:33 [laura]
Shawn: maybe in the overview as it is related to all.
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15:46:18 [laura]
Jim: Should focus on: can’t see the screen.
15:46:39 [laura]
AWK: Far more nuanced.
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15:48:27 [allanj]
Katie+
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q+
15:49:17 [Ryladog]
Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
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ack me
15:50:00 [JohnRochford]
q+
15:50:06 [laura]
Shawn: We need to find the link to piror minutes
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ack jo
15:50:40 [laura]
John: Do we need to figure this out now?
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AWK: Good point.
15:53:28 [laura]
AWK: Is everything captured in the second group?
15:54:23 [laura]
AWK: Don’t think it is a problem.
15:54:58 [laura]
Katie: Think it may be too broad.
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AWK: Distinguishing may not fit.
15:57:09 [laura]
Katie: Barriers to distinguishing. Or ability to distinguish.
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q+
15:57:24 [Wayne]
One issue is that individual impairments may imply multiple categories
15:57:24 [laura]
John: why are we going int solutions?
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ack me
15:58:26 [laura]
Shawn: 2 different things.
16:00:04 [laura]
AWK: Feels like the distinguishing section is more about perceiving element characteristics.
16:00:16 [allanj]
Illumination/contrast discussion link added to the Overview Wiki
16:00:16 [Wayne]
Fatigue occurs in almost conditions.
16:01:18 [laura]
Katie: How about distinguishing and identifying?
16:02:20 [laura]
AWK: The 3 things are definitely related.
16:02:47 [laura]
Jim: Distinguishing is part of the spacing.
16:03:37 [shawn]
how about Distinguishing Elements (e.g., headings)
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Jim: All closely related.
16:04:25 [JohnRochford]
q+
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ack j
16:05:56 [laura]
John: Suggest don’t get into detail at this point.
16:07:17 [laura]
AWK: look at tweaking these. Perhaps change the headings.
16:07:24 [laura]
John: yes.
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Katie: the need is the inability to distingusish.
16:09:31 [allanj]
awk - requirement is the user needs to be able to distinguish
16:09:39 [JohnRochford]
Clarification: I said "yes" to the characterization that this is a user needs doc, not a solutions doc.
16:09:40 [laura]
AWK: Need to look at categories more.
16:10:23 [Ryladog]
q+ to add that the NEED is to be able to Distinguish and Identify
16:12:28 [laura]
AWK: Tracking feels like they may be needs or solutions.
16:13:33 [laura]
AWK: Overview is general document and a frame work.
16:14:03 [laura]
AWK: shouldn’t be about the solutions.
16:14:05 [JohnRochford]
+1
16:14:14 [laura]
+1
16:14:15 [shawn]
+1 agree to Andrew's overview of the sections & this doc , and next
16:14:17 [allanj]
overview of low vision issues - broad strokes, general. set up a framework/categories
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requirements of specific user needs based on framework
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solutions - techniques
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q+
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ack ry
16:15:19 [Zakim]
Ryladog, you wanted to add that the NEED is to be able to Distinguish and Identify
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s/ solutions - techniques/separate doc: solutions - techniques
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ack wa
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Katie: Need is to distinguish and identify.
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Wayne: Wonder if we need a middle section and think of these in terms of POUR.
16:17:55 [shawn]
Wayne: Visual acuity is @@ whereas Luminance is @@
16:18:04 [laura]
AWK: one topic for overview is perceptual area
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AWK: Can have things fit together.
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AWK: Move text around so that we only have one list
16:21:50 [shawn]
s/Visual acuity is @@ whereas Luminance is @@/Visual acuity is physical limitation whereas Luminance is @@
16:22:06 [laura]
Wayne: Kind of losing things with luminance and color. Contrast sensitivity and light sensitivity.
16:22:19 [shawn]
Wayne: contrast sensitivity, light sensitivity, color perception
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AWK: For overview talk about 3 bullets.
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…Categories and desired outcomes.
16:24:43 [laura]
Wayne: Hard to measure fatigue. But we need to address it as it is a barrier for users.
16:25:24 [laura]
AWK: Yes, we need to address the fatigue issue.
16:26:06 [laura]
Wayne: Environmental issues are important.
16:27:43 [laura]
AWK: Can move categories to GitHub. Are people okay with that?
16:28:35 [laura]
Shawn: maybe work in the Wiki for a while.
16:28:38 [JohnRochford]
q+
16:29:33 [shawn]
[ thinking about POUR... most of these are P I think... I agree save this until later ]
16:29:45 [shawn]
ack j
16:31:14 [allanj]
jim tackle acuity overview
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wayne - luiminance and color
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andrew - perceptual
16:32:27 [laura]
Wayne: Luminance and color
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Jim: Visual acuity
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Trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
16:32:38 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been jim, Shawn, Jeanne, Laura, AWK, Erich_Manser, JohnR, WayneD, Katie, Haritos-Shea
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/02-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items
16:32:48 [laura]
AWK: Perceptual area