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19:58:46 <hhalpin> Jim - http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/
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19:59:47 <wseltzer> present+ virginie
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19:59:55 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
19:59:55 <Zakim> Present: wseltzer, virginie, hhalpin
19:59:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see jyates, Charles_Engelke, hhalpin, jimsch, RRSAgent, virginie, Karen, slightlyoff, tobie, timeless, Zakim, trackbot, wseltzer
20:00:00 <wseltzer> present+ jyates
20:01:00 <wseltzer> present+ Charles_Engelke
20:02:20 <wseltzer> present+ jimsch
20:03:38 <wseltzer> present+ timeless
20:04:17 <wseltzer> scribenick: wseltzer
20:04:22 <wseltzer> chair: Virginie
20:04:38 <virginie> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports
20:04:42 <wseltzer> virginie: Welcome. We're checking to see whether the spec is ready to progress toward Rec
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20:05:10 <wseltzer> ... Discussion on mailing list over the last few weeks to finalize the WebCrypto API
20:05:19 <virginie> https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto
20:05:20 <wseltzer> ... spec in github repo
20:05:47 <wseltzer> ... Harry, can you share recent changes?
20:06:01 <wseltzer> hhalpin: some edits to prep for PR
20:06:11 <wseltzer> ... and Jim giving a substantive check
20:06:15 <hhalpin> pr-edits branch of the git repo
20:06:27 <hhalpin> 1) Normative references
20:06:32 <wseltzer> ... Three edits: fixing normative references
20:06:34 <virginie> https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits
20:06:45 <wseltzer> ... Added a resolution to Akamai's objection
20:06:59 <wseltzer> ... noting the CFRG document on crypto algorithm analysis
20:07:00 <hhalpin> 2) We added a sentence to resolve the Akamai objection, noting the CFRG document which the CFRG has accepted to maintained, added to references
20:07:22 <wseltzer> ... minor things
20:07:30 <hhalpin> 3) Editorial Notes -> Just became part of the spec text
20:07:46 <hhalpin> Even though support BER encoding, we don't.
20:08:12 <wseltzer> ... text from note was moved to spec
20:08:26 <hhalpin> 4) Some of preamble removed
20:08:31 <wseltzer> ... preamble was removed, where it asked for help
20:08:38 <wseltzer> ... and finally, changing SOTD
20:08:48 <hhalpin> The last PR -> is to change the status section to match the PR section and to change the CSS
20:09:40 <wseltzer> ... Last issue, I thought we could add a sentence to the algo section saying "if an algo is not in this list, it doesn't mean it's not under consideration, please check proposed algorithm note"
20:09:55 <wseltzer> ... but I wanted to get discussion from WG/editors
20:10:01 <wseltzer> ... or we could put that on the group homepage .
20:10:05 <hhalpin> Only substantial change to the spec that I would see making before going to PR
20:10:08 <virginie> q+
20:10:33 <wseltzer> jimsch: I have a slightly different proposal for dealing with editorial notes
20:10:59 <wseltzer> ... I noted at least one ref to a section in an X9 document that wasn't filled in.
20:11:19 <jimsch> Let <var>secret</var> be the result of applying the field element to
20:11:19 <jimsch>                             <a href="#dfn-octet-string">octet string</a> conversion defined in Section ? of <a href="#X9.63">X9.63</a>
20:11:19 <jimsch>                             to the output of the ECDH primitive.
20:12:15 <wseltzer> q- bal
20:12:36 <wseltzer> wseltzer: we're looking for a copy of the X9 spec
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20:14:06 <wseltzer> hhalpin: let's try to get a copy of the spec, and if not, can delete the reference
20:14:49 <hhalpin_> Not super-happy with deleting reference, but it seems to be the best thing to do if otherwise its unfixable. I would assume Sleevi may have had same issue.
20:14:49 <wseltzer> virginie: we need to fix that before we move to PR
20:15:25 <wseltzer> virginie: regarding proposed algorithm note, we don't currently ahve that document
20:15:34 <wseltzer> ... so I don't want to put a dangling link
20:16:03 <wseltzer> hhalpin: I could write the list, but we'd want someone available to maintain it
20:16:20 <wseltzer> ... Does anyone want to edit?
20:16:39 <wseltzer> jimsch: there are other documents we could reference instead of X9
20:16:51 <wseltzer> ... there's an IETF ref.
20:16:57 <wseltzer> hhalpin: sure
20:17:20 <hhalpin_> X9 - what other document could we reference?
20:17:38 <wseltzer> hhalpin_: I'll make a "proposed algorithm" page, but won't refer to it in the spec
20:18:16 <wseltzer> virginie: We need a WG resolution to move to PR
20:18:16 <hhalpin_> We can make that clear on the homepage, so people who find the spec and are looking for their favorite algorithm, we can at least point them to a document, even if it doesn't have an editor.
20:18:30 <wseltzer> q?
20:18:39 <jimsch> Change X9 to RFC6090
20:18:52 <wseltzer> selfissued: I had thought that issue of IANA registry adding algorithm analysis line would be done
20:18:57 <wseltzer> hhalpin_: I'll put that in
20:19:04 <wseltzer> jimsch: I'm willing for it not to exist
20:19:12 <wseltzer> selfissued: N/A
20:19:18 <hhalpin_> I'm OK with anything.
20:19:19 <wseltzer> jimsch: it's ok if the line doesn't exist
20:19:46 <wseltzer> selfissued: for IANA, it shouldn't be missing a required field, even if the field's value is N/A
20:20:14 <wseltzer> hhalpin_: 3 options, nothing, N/A, or ref to CFRG document
20:20:21 <wseltzer> selfissued: nobody objected to N/A
20:20:21 <jimsch> n/A is fine
20:20:43 <selfissued> Algorithm Analysis Documents(s): n/a
20:21:24 <virginie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2015Nov/0012.html
20:21:24 <selfissued> Put that line after each of the Specification Document(s) lines in 34.1
20:21:50 <selfissued> In Section 34.1. JSON Web Signature and Encryption Algorithms Registration
20:24:30 <selfissued> Refreshing https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcrypto-api/raw-file/tip/spec/Overview.html#iana-section-jws-jwa I'm not seeing the edits.  Is this expected?
20:24:56 <wseltzer> jimsch: I want to change one of the editorial issues response
20:25:00 <wseltzer> q+
20:25:10 <virginie> q-
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20:25:29 <wseltzer> hhalpin_: we should allow editorial flexibility to deal with minor issues that don't have substantive impact
20:26:07 <selfissued> q+
20:27:24 <wseltzer> jimsch: should we send notice of PR to the mailing list?
20:27:28 <wseltzer> virginie: yes, let's do that
20:27:34 <wseltzer> s/PR/pull request/
20:27:39 <wseltzer> q-
20:27:41 <wseltzer> q- hhalpin_
20:27:44 <wseltzer> q- hhalpin
20:27:51 <wseltzer> ack selfissued
20:28:31 <wseltzer> selfissued: I had thought the current editors' draft was at the "latest" link in the CR
20:29:08 <wseltzer> action: hhalpin to change the ED link in mercurial to point to github
20:29:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-154 - Change the ed link in mercurial to point to github [on Harry Halpin - due 2015-12-07].
20:29:14 <hhalpin_> https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits/spec/
20:29:16 <jimsch> Is there a version that gets rebuilt automatically on github?
20:30:17 <wseltzer> selfissued: the call for review should contain a link to arendered version of the document with PR edits
20:30:27 <hhalpin_> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
20:31:06 <jimsch> Let's make a README.md file that has the link to the rendered document.
20:31:46 <wseltzer> wseltzer: we'll make sure when we send the minutes there's a rendered version to include a pointer
20:31:47 <hhalpin_> I'll have to set-up up gh-pages or make a standalone rendered version
20:31:53 <hhalpin_> No problem doing that.
20:31:57 <wseltzer> selfissued: please point to both github and rendered version
20:33:08 <wseltzer> virginie: provided that we have a link to rendered version, that we fix X9 links, that we allow editors to make non-substantive changes, and ask editor about link to "proposed algorithm"
20:33:36 <wseltzer> PROPOSED: That we move the WebCrypto API to Proposed Recommendation
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20:33:54 <wseltzer> ... as found at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
20:33:57 <hhalpin_> "Move the WebCrypto API [at https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits/spec/] to Proposed Recommendation with the ability of the editors to make minor changes as needed.
20:34:06 <hhalpin_> But Wendy's its a bit more straightforward.
20:34:11 <selfissued> Please include both a link to a rendered version and the github branch in the review e-mail
20:34:20 <jimsch> harry - are you going to approve your pull request or are you going to wait for an editor to do it?
20:34:44 <hhalpin_> I'm going to give the editor a few more days, I see no reason to rush
20:34:45 <wseltzer> virginie: if you agree, +1, disagree, -1
20:34:49 <dconnolly> +1
20:34:50 <virginie> +1
20:34:52 <jimsch> +0
20:34:53 <Charles_Engelke> +1
20:34:55 <hhalpin_> The important thing is to start the clock!
20:34:56 <selfissued> +1
20:34:56 <hhalpin_> +1
20:35:38 <wseltzer> virginie: Sounds like consensus here. We submit to 2-week review on mailing list, and if no objection there, then 14 December, move to PR
20:35:54 <wseltzer> ... Thank you for your work
20:35:59 <wseltzer> ... Anything else to discuss?
20:36:00 <virginie> q?
20:36:04 <hhalpin_> Just find that IETF reference for me ASAP Jimsch :)
20:36:15 <jimsch> harry - it is in the log
20:36:31 <wseltzer> RESOLVED: That we move the WebCrypto API to Proposed Recommendation, as found at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
20:36:57 <wseltzer> virginie: in the meantime, if you find editors for the Proposed Algorithms note, please let us know.
20:36:59 <kodonog> +1 (didnt't hit return)
20:37:11 <wseltzer> ... No further calls planned, but keep working by email.
20:37:15 <wseltzer> q+
20:37:26 <wseltzer> ... Don't hesitate to use mailing list.
20:38:00 <selfissued> What's the e-mail list you referenced, Wendy?
20:38:18 <wseltzer> public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG), selfissued
20:38:37 <wseltzer> virginie: thank you all
20:39:40 <wseltzer> i/public-web-security/wseltzer: For further W3C discussions on Web Security, see the Web Security IG, public-web-security@w3.org, and discussion of draft charters for Web Authentication and Hardware-Based Security
20:39:47 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:39:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
20:40:03 <wseltzer> present+ kodonog
20:40:17 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make logs team
20:40:20 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make logs public
20:40:23 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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20:40:44 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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20:41:53 <wseltzer> s/public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG), selfissued/wseltzer: public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG)/
20:41:56 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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20:42:37 <wseltzer> trackbot, end meeting
20:42:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:42:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been wseltzer, virginie, hhalpin, jyates, Charles_Engelke, jimsch, timeless, kodonog
20:42:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:42:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
20:42:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:42:46 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-actions.rdf :
20:42:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: hhalpin to change the ED link in mercurial to point to github [1]
20:42:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-irc#T20-29-08
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20:47:41 <wseltzer> Meeting: WebCrypto WG
20:47:45 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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20:48:23 <timeless> s|n/A is fine|n/a is fine
20:49:43 <wseltzer> s/Wendy's its/Wendy's is/
20:50:12 <timeless> s/didnt't/didn't/
20:51:12 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:51:34 <timeless> s/present=//
20:51:46 <timeless> s/me waves//
20:52:31 <wseltzer> s/I cannot appear to logon and get the password for the conference call//
20:52:48 <wseltzer> s|Jim - http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/||
20:52:56 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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