IRC log of crypto on 2015-11-30
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- wseltzer has changed the topic to: Meeting Nov 30, 2000 UTC (3pm Boston)
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- me waves
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- I cannot appear to logon and get the password for the conference call
- 19:58:46 [hhalpin]
- Jim - http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/
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- 1-617-324-0000 Access Code: 643 244 026
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- Password is member-only link
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- present=
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- present+
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- present+ virginie
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- present+ hhalpin
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- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: wseltzer, virginie, hhalpin
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- On IRC I see jyates, Charles_Engelke, hhalpin, jimsch, RRSAgent, virginie, Karen, slightlyoff, tobie, timeless, Zakim, trackbot, wseltzer
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- present+ jyates
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- present+ Charles_Engelke
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- present+ jimsch
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- present+ timeless
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- scribenick: wseltzer
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- chair: Virginie
- 20:04:38 [virginie]
- http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports
- 20:04:42 [wseltzer]
- virginie: Welcome. We're checking to see whether the spec is ready to progress toward Rec
- 20:04:56 [kodonog]
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- ... Discussion on mailing list over the last few weeks to finalize the WebCrypto API
- 20:05:19 [virginie]
- https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto
- 20:05:20 [wseltzer]
- ... spec in github repo
- 20:05:47 [wseltzer]
- ... Harry, can you share recent changes?
- 20:06:01 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin: some edits to prep for PR
- 20:06:11 [wseltzer]
- ... and Jim giving a substantive check
- 20:06:15 [hhalpin]
- pr-edits branch of the git repo
- 20:06:27 [hhalpin]
- 1) Normative references
- 20:06:32 [wseltzer]
- ... Three edits: fixing normative references
- 20:06:34 [virginie]
- https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits
- 20:06:45 [wseltzer]
- ... Added a resolution to Akamai's objection
- 20:06:59 [wseltzer]
- ... noting the CFRG document on crypto algorithm analysis
- 20:07:00 [hhalpin]
- 2) We added a sentence to resolve the Akamai objection, noting the CFRG document which the CFRG has accepted to maintained, added to references
- 20:07:22 [wseltzer]
- ... minor things
- 20:07:30 [hhalpin]
- 3) Editorial Notes -> Just became part of the spec text
- 20:07:46 [hhalpin]
- Even though support BER encoding, we don't.
- 20:08:12 [wseltzer]
- ... text from note was moved to spec
- 20:08:26 [hhalpin]
- 4) Some of preamble removed
- 20:08:31 [wseltzer]
- ... preamble was removed, where it asked for help
- 20:08:38 [wseltzer]
- ... and finally, changing SOTD
- 20:08:48 [hhalpin]
- The last PR -> is to change the status section to match the PR section and to change the CSS
- 20:09:40 [wseltzer]
- ... Last issue, I thought we could add a sentence to the algo section saying "if an algo is not in this list, it doesn't mean it's not under consideration, please check proposed algorithm note"
- 20:09:55 [wseltzer]
- ... but I wanted to get discussion from WG/editors
- 20:10:01 [wseltzer]
- ... or we could put that on the group homepage .
- 20:10:05 [hhalpin]
- Only substantial change to the spec that I would see making before going to PR
- 20:10:08 [virginie]
- q+
- 20:10:33 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: I have a slightly different proposal for dealing with editorial notes
- 20:10:59 [wseltzer]
- ... I noted at least one ref to a section in an X9 document that wasn't filled in.
- 20:11:19 [jimsch]
- Let <var>secret</var> be the result of applying the field element to
- 20:11:19 [jimsch]
- <a href="#dfn-octet-string">octet string</a> conversion defined in Section ? of <a href="#X9.63">X9.63</a>
- 20:11:19 [jimsch]
- to the output of the ECDH primitive.
- 20:12:15 [wseltzer]
- q- bal
- 20:12:36 [wseltzer]
- wseltzer: we're looking for a copy of the X9 spec
- 20:13:03 [hhalpin_]
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- 20:14:06 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin: let's try to get a copy of the spec, and if not, can delete the reference
- 20:14:49 [hhalpin_]
- Not super-happy with deleting reference, but it seems to be the best thing to do if otherwise its unfixable. I would assume Sleevi may have had same issue.
- 20:14:49 [wseltzer]
- virginie: we need to fix that before we move to PR
- 20:15:25 [wseltzer]
- virginie: regarding proposed algorithm note, we don't currently ahve that document
- 20:15:34 [wseltzer]
- ... so I don't want to put a dangling link
- 20:16:03 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin: I could write the list, but we'd want someone available to maintain it
- 20:16:20 [wseltzer]
- ... Does anyone want to edit?
- 20:16:39 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: there are other documents we could reference instead of X9
- 20:16:51 [wseltzer]
- ... there's an IETF ref.
- 20:16:57 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin: sure
- 20:17:20 [hhalpin_]
- X9 - what other document could we reference?
- 20:17:38 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin_: I'll make a "proposed algorithm" page, but won't refer to it in the spec
- 20:18:16 [wseltzer]
- virginie: We need a WG resolution to move to PR
- 20:18:16 [hhalpin_]
- We can make that clear on the homepage, so people who find the spec and are looking for their favorite algorithm, we can at least point them to a document, even if it doesn't have an editor.
- 20:18:30 [wseltzer]
- q?
- 20:18:39 [jimsch]
- Change X9 to RFC6090
- 20:18:52 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: I had thought that issue of IANA registry adding algorithm analysis line would be done
- 20:18:57 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin_: I'll put that in
- 20:19:04 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: I'm willing for it not to exist
- 20:19:12 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: N/A
- 20:19:18 [hhalpin_]
- I'm OK with anything.
- 20:19:19 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: it's ok if the line doesn't exist
- 20:19:46 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: for IANA, it shouldn't be missing a required field, even if the field's value is N/A
- 20:20:14 [wseltzer]
- hhalpin_: 3 options, nothing, N/A, or ref to CFRG document
- 20:20:21 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: nobody objected to N/A
- 20:20:21 [jimsch]
- n/A is fine
- 20:20:43 [selfissued]
- Algorithm Analysis Documents(s): n/a
- 20:21:24 [virginie]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2015Nov/0012.html
- 20:21:24 [selfissued]
- Put that line after each of the Specification Document(s) lines in 34.1
- 20:21:50 [selfissued]
- In Section 34.1. JSON Web Signature and Encryption Algorithms Registration
- 20:24:30 [selfissued]
- Refreshing https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcrypto-api/raw-file/tip/spec/Overview.html#iana-section-jws-jwa I'm not seeing the edits. Is this expected?
- 20:24:56 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: I want to change one of the editorial issues response
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- q+
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- q-
- 20:25:27 [dconnolly]
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- hhalpin_: we should allow editorial flexibility to deal with minor issues that don't have substantive impact
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- q+
- 20:27:24 [wseltzer]
- jimsch: should we send notice of PR to the mailing list?
- 20:27:28 [wseltzer]
- virginie: yes, let's do that
- 20:27:34 [wseltzer]
- s/PR/pull request/
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- q-
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- q- hhalpin_
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- q- hhalpin
- 20:27:51 [wseltzer]
- ack selfissued
- 20:28:31 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: I had thought the current editors' draft was at the "latest" link in the CR
- 20:29:08 [wseltzer]
- action: hhalpin to change the ED link in mercurial to point to github
- 20:29:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-154 - Change the ed link in mercurial to point to github [on Harry Halpin - due 2015-12-07].
- 20:29:14 [hhalpin_]
- https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits/spec/
- 20:29:16 [jimsch]
- Is there a version that gets rebuilt automatically on github?
- 20:30:17 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: the call for review should contain a link to arendered version of the document with PR edits
- 20:30:27 [hhalpin_]
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
- 20:31:06 [jimsch]
- Let's make a README.md file that has the link to the rendered document.
- 20:31:46 [wseltzer]
- wseltzer: we'll make sure when we send the minutes there's a rendered version to include a pointer
- 20:31:47 [hhalpin_]
- I'll have to set-up up gh-pages or make a standalone rendered version
- 20:31:53 [hhalpin_]
- No problem doing that.
- 20:31:57 [wseltzer]
- selfissued: please point to both github and rendered version
- 20:33:08 [wseltzer]
- virginie: provided that we have a link to rendered version, that we fix X9 links, that we allow editors to make non-substantive changes, and ask editor about link to "proposed algorithm"
- 20:33:36 [wseltzer]
- PROPOSED: That we move the WebCrypto API to Proposed Recommendation
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- ... as found at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
- 20:33:57 [hhalpin_]
- "Move the WebCrypto API [at https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/tree/pr-edits/spec/] to Proposed Recommendation with the ability of the editors to make minor changes as needed.
- 20:34:06 [hhalpin_]
- But Wendy's its a bit more straightforward.
- 20:34:11 [selfissued]
- Please include both a link to a rendered version and the github branch in the review e-mail
- 20:34:20 [jimsch]
- harry - are you going to approve your pull request or are you going to wait for an editor to do it?
- 20:34:44 [hhalpin_]
- I'm going to give the editor a few more days, I see no reason to rush
- 20:34:45 [wseltzer]
- virginie: if you agree, +1, disagree, -1
- 20:34:49 [dconnolly]
- +1
- 20:34:50 [virginie]
- +1
- 20:34:52 [jimsch]
- +0
- 20:34:53 [Charles_Engelke]
- +1
- 20:34:55 [hhalpin_]
- The important thing is to start the clock!
- 20:34:56 [selfissued]
- +1
- 20:34:56 [hhalpin_]
- +1
- 20:35:38 [wseltzer]
- virginie: Sounds like consensus here. We submit to 2-week review on mailing list, and if no objection there, then 14 December, move to PR
- 20:35:54 [wseltzer]
- ... Thank you for your work
- 20:35:59 [wseltzer]
- ... Anything else to discuss?
- 20:36:00 [virginie]
- q?
- 20:36:04 [hhalpin_]
- Just find that IETF reference for me ASAP Jimsch :)
- 20:36:15 [jimsch]
- harry - it is in the log
- 20:36:31 [wseltzer]
- RESOLVED: That we move the WebCrypto API to Proposed Recommendation, as found at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/webcrypto/pr-edits/spec/Overview.html
- 20:36:57 [wseltzer]
- virginie: in the meantime, if you find editors for the Proposed Algorithms note, please let us know.
- 20:36:59 [kodonog]
- +1 (didnt't hit return)
- 20:37:11 [wseltzer]
- ... No further calls planned, but keep working by email.
- 20:37:15 [wseltzer]
- q+
- 20:37:26 [wseltzer]
- ... Don't hesitate to use mailing list.
- 20:38:00 [selfissued]
- What's the e-mail list you referenced, Wendy?
- 20:38:18 [wseltzer]
- public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG), selfissued
- 20:38:37 [wseltzer]
- virginie: thank you all
- 20:39:40 [wseltzer]
- i/public-web-security/wseltzer: For further W3C discussions on Web Security, see the Web Security IG, public-web-security@w3.org, and discussion of draft charters for Web Authentication and Hardware-Based Security
- 20:39:47 [wseltzer]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 20:39:47 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
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- present+ kodonog
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- rrsagent, make logs team
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
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- s/public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG), selfissued/wseltzer: public-web-security@w3.org (Web Security IG)/
- 20:41:56 [wseltzer]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 20:42:37 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been wseltzer, virginie, hhalpin, jyates, Charles_Engelke, jimsch, timeless, kodonog
- 20:42:45 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 20:42:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 20:42:46 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: hhalpin to change the ED link in mercurial to point to github [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-irc#T20-29-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-irc
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- Meeting: WebCrypto WG
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
- 20:48:23 [timeless]
- s|n/A is fine|n/a is fine
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- s/Wendy's its/Wendy's is/
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- s/didnt't/didn't/
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html timeless
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- s/present=//
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- s/me waves//
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- s/I cannot appear to logon and get the password for the conference call//
- 20:52:48 [wseltzer]
- s|Jim - http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/||
- 20:52:56 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-crypto-minutes.html timeless