See also: IRC log
<janina> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/f18bba4c6c569e507d6c62096d3b41263e67887c/html-aam/html-aam.html
<janina> scribe:
<fesch> scribe: Janina
<scribe> scribe: janina
mc: No meeting this coming Thursday, 26 November, because of U.S. Turkey Day!
issue-504?
<trackbot> issue-504 -- radio shouldn't have aria-selected -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/504
mc: believe it's done
clown: core-aam?
jd: I checked
RESOLUTION: Close Issue-504
<MichaelC> close issue-504
<trackbot> Closed issue-504.
action-1736?
<trackbot> action-1736 -- James Nurthen to Create an attribute to indicate a button is the primary button -- due 2015-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1736
jn: discussed at tpac
<clown> issue-624?
<trackbot> issue-624 -- Primary Action Concept -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/624
jn: I'm to finish a
proposal
... Yet to do that, though
mc: so, still pending
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate issue-624 with action-1736
<trackbot> action-1736 (Create an attribute to indicate a button is the primary button) associated with issue-624.
[general concern that Leonie had concerns about this]
<jamesn> it is in here http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-aria-minutes.html
<clown> specifically: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-aria-minutes.html#item03
mc: Weneed to know whether Leonie's concern was on behalf of Web Platforms WG
jn: She wasn't in the room when we discussed at TPAC
action-1688?
<trackbot> action-1688 -- James Nurthen to Draft proposal for aria-interactive -- due 2015-09-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1688
mc: Rich is asking whether we can close this?
jn: Think it's too late to do
anything meaningful with this right now
... Unless we allow ARIA-Activedescendent on on role of
application
clown: so application has children
jn: could be, no?
... a chart, with focusable elements in SVG
clown: OK
jd: Also fits with Matt's recent additions
jn: currently works, but is a conformance error
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant
mc: suggest closing, and raise new action to raise the proposed resolution
jd: on me, please
<MichaelC> action-1688: seems there isn´t support for this approach; instead, adding aria-activedescendant to application seems acceptable
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1688 Draft proposal for aria-interactive.
<MichaelC> close action-1688
<trackbot> Closed action-1688.
<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to put aria-activedescendant on application and request WG review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1743 - Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-26].
RESOLUTION: put Activedescendent on role application -- needs confirmation
[matt has joined the call, so we're rehashing the above]
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1743 with product-17
<trackbot> action-1743 (Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review) associated with product-17.
<clown> <application><group aria-activedescendant="foo"> … </group></application> (JamesN's current situation).
mk: app has no subclasses
...
... see no downsides
<clown> proposal: <application aria-activedescendant="foo"> … </application>
<MichaelC> action-1743: this is a spin-off from action-1688 whose approach we decided not to pursue
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1743 Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review.
[discussion on implication for aapis]
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#include_elements
mk: hard for browser to conform to 5.2.1 in mapping
jn: yes
mk: concerned will have focus,
but might not have role and label, so what then?
... without an implicit
jn: should be an authoring error
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant (see 3rd paragraph)
fe: in svg we have explicit requirements on what's put into the tree
<MichaelC> issue-633?
<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
mk: would like to see language somewhere that makes it clear elements referred to by activedescendent, if not in a context with required or implicit semantics, that authors must provide role and label
<MichaelC> action-1743: work with Matt to make it clear elements referred to by aria-activedescendant have a clear context
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1743 Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review.
mc: suggest we do issue triage ...
issue-411?
<trackbot> issue-411 -- Consider aria-description which would take a string like aria-label -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/411
mc: more than 4 years old, obe?
mk: another feature takes care of
this?
... allows a string attribute ...
mc: not part of recent
description discussions -- we're looking for a single solution
that meets all use cases
... suggest we don't meet this in 1.1. Could move to 2.0
mk: suggest 2.0
... thinking of specific kinds of help, e.g. for keyboard
mc: we have keyboard-shortcuts
help
... notes we intend next published draft will be CR and
soon
... suggest best with this at this time is 2.0
<joanie> +1 to keeping it open, but for 2.0 so as not to make things messy
mk: OK
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate issue-411 with product-2
<trackbot> issue-411 (Consider aria-description which would take a string like aria-label) associated with product-2.
issue-427?
<trackbot> issue-427 -- Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
mc: also a 4-year old issue
clown: alex's new api
fe: also wapa
mc: close? Saying wapa?
[agreement]
<MichaelC> issue-427: WAPA proposal would meet this requirement
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-427 Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element.
<MichaelC> close issue-427
<trackbot> Closed issue-427.
RESOLUTION: Close issue-427 as overcome by WAPA
issue-497?
<trackbot> issue-497 -- When features require an element with a particular role be present (e.g., grid requires that gridcell be owned by row), implicit native semantics, if defined, count (e.g., tr without a role attribute counts as an element with role row) -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/497
jn: think this is now covered
mk: was an exception ... but not verified
<joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html
mc: Possible we need a newer, more explicit issue, but think this issue should close
RESOLUTION: Close Issue-497 and see how things go
<MichaelC> close issue-497
<trackbot> Closed issue-497.
issue-504?
<trackbot> issue-504 -- radio shouldn't have aria-selected -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/504
jd: Already closed this
mc: oops
issue-526?
<trackbot> issue-526 -- Allow non-global states and properties to be used without an explicit ARIA role, when the element has an implict ARIA semantic corresponding to an appropriate role - ARIA 1.1 -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/526
mc: Hmm, this is "see how it goes" ...
jn: Isn't this now allowed?
mk: don't think so
<clown> action-1405?
<trackbot> action-1405 -- Joanmarie Diggs to For issue-526 modify spec. to allow non-global attrs to apply to host language elements having the correct aria semantics -- due 2015-06-25 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1405
<jamesn> I want to make sure i don't have to write <button role="button" aria-pressed="true">
<joanie> From my statement in the ACTION: "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."(emphasis added)
mc: Perhaps we keep open and action someone for a proposal
[group noting JD's quote from the spec above]
mc: Looking at today's pub
...
... Still in the text ...
... so we can close?
RESOLUTION: Close issue-526 as completed
<clown> +1
<MichaelC> close issue-526
<trackbot> Closed issue-526.
<jamesn> +1
<MichaelC> issue-526: met by text is spec "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."(emphasis added)
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-526 Allow non-global states and properties to be used without an explicit ARIA role, when the element has an implict ARIA semantic corresponding to an appropriate role - ARIA 1.1.
mk: asking whewhy more grid changes weren't forthcoming ...
jd: see above uri ... looking ....
<joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html
mc: so awaiting further discussion
<joanie> action-1725
<trackbot> action-1725 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for an article feed -- due 2015-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1725
action-1725?
<trackbot> action-1725 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for an article feed -- due 2015-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1725
<MichaelC> Rich: Need further discussion on action 1725 related to list post https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html
issue-561?
<trackbot> issue-561 -- We need @aria-placeholder as backup for @placeholder in custom fields. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/561
jd: done
<MichaelC> close issue-561
<trackbot> Closed issue-561.
RESOLUTION: Close issue-561 as done
clown: already has mappings!!
issue-610?
<trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610
mk: on my list, want to do this for 1.1, and could be a simple change ...
mc: Action on James, reassign?
mk: I'm hot for this one!
issue-619?
<trackbot> issue-619 -- ARIA 1.1 should disallow host languages from declaring @aria-label from being declared in direct semantic conflict with a host language attribute. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/619
mc: Huh?
... OK, have action and I'll get to it
issue-639?
<trackbot> issue-639 -- Making key events work automatically on focusable elements matching certain roles (e.g. button, link, checkbox), that have click event handlers -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/639
mc: Is this an ARIA issue?
clown: If role=button browser auto makes space work????
jd: seems hard to implement in a
performant fashion
... Chaas interested in this
RESOLUTION: Move to 2.0 so we can discuss again, but may not really be an ARIA issue
issue-641?
<trackbot> issue-641 -- Abstract role section allows nameFrom content, and some subclassed roles under section do not allow nameFrom:contents (even definition, img, and math, which seems like they should) -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/641
mk: we were concerned whether inheritance issues ...
mc: suggest an action to
implement simply ... may not even need confirmation
... JD can raise issues if needed?
jn: worth 1.1 time?
mc: it is cleanups
<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1744 - Implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-26].
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1744 with issue-641
<trackbot> action-1744 (Implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out) associated with issue-641.
RESOLUTION: See action-1744
issue-648?
<trackbot> issue-648 -- Role computation with native host language semantics -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/648
jd: looks like a dup
mc: yes
... suggest we wait for rich
[agreement]
issue-680?
<trackbot> issue-680 -- Create a new glossary definition called "Value of a Control". That has the following proposed definition. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/680
clown: did, diss'd
<MichaelC> issue-680: glossary definition was created, implemented, not liked, removed, so closing
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-680 Create a new glossary definition called "Value of a Control". That has the following proposed definition..
RESOLUTION: Close issue-680 is done, and dumped
<MichaelC> close issue-680
<trackbot> Closed issue-680.
issue-682?
<trackbot> issue-682 -- Clarify what happens to required owned childrens' roles when native host language parent is overridden with a WAI-ARIA role. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/682
clown: believe this has been dealt with
mk: when is this an issue?
jd: believe belongs in mapping
spec
... agree with issue
mc? so implementation guide for 1.1?
<MichaelC> ACTION: clown to make a proposal to address issue-682 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1745 - Make a proposal to address issue-682 [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-11-26].
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1745 with issue-682
<trackbot> action-1745 (Make a proposal to address issue-682) associated with issue-682.
RESOLUTION Move issue-682 to product 1.1 implementation guide; create action for clown to address
mc: we're at the hour, and we've handled about half of the open issues! Excellent
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