15:01:52 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #svg-a11y
15:01:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-svg-a11y-irc
15:08:11 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR has joined #svg-a11y
15:10:00 <fesch> chair: Rich
15:10:06 <fesch> scribe: fesch
15:10:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
15:10:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C SVG A11y Task Force
15:10:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
15:11:19 <fesch> looking up
15:12:28 <fesch> 	SVG A11y
15:12:30 <fesch> 
15:12:31 <fesch> 	Fri 11/13/2015 10:00 AM - 11:00 AM
15:12:33 <fesch> 	(Repeats)
15:12:34 <fesch> 
15:12:36 <fesch> 
15:12:37 <fesch> 	Attendance is required for Fred Esch
15:12:39 <fesch> 
15:12:40 <fesch> 
15:12:42 <fesch> 
15:12:43 <fesch> 	Chair:
15:12:45 <fesch> 	shepazu@mit.edu
15:12:46 <fesch> 
15:12:48 <fesch> 	Location:
15:12:49 <fesch> 	https://mit.webex.com/mit
15:12:51 <fesch> 
15:12:53 <fesch> This entry has an alarm. The alarm will go off 5 minutes before the entry starts.
15:12:54 <fesch> Required:
15:12:56 <fesch> Fred Esch/Arlington/IBM
15:12:57 <fesch> Repeats:
15:12:59 <fesch> This entry repeats
15:13:00 <fesch> 
15:13:02 <fesch> Join WebEx meeting
15:13:03 <fesch> Meeting number:
15:13:05 <fesch> 645 955 799
15:13:06 <fesch> Meeting password:
15:13:08 <fesch> w3c
15:13:09 <fesch> 
15:13:11 <fesch> 
15:13:12 <fesch> Join by phone
15:13:14 <fesch> +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number
15:13:15 <fesch> Access code: 645 955 799
15:13:17 <fesch> 
15:13:18 <fesch> Can't join the meeting? Contact support.
15:13:20 <fesch> 
15:13:21 <fesch> IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the session. Please...
15:13:23 <fesch> ...note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.
15:14:55 <fesch> rs; we are going to need detailed meetings with browser vendors, to get SVG a11y on the radar
15:15:43 <fesch> rs: need to go back and do changes to SVG ARIA section and sync up with ARIA 1.1
15:16:04 <shepazu> agenda+ new TR stylesheets  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2015OctDec/0009.html
15:16:52 <fesch> ds: Amelia introduced specs, walked over high level issues with SVG WG, and what the strategy is
15:17:48 <fesch> ds: SVG WG seemed to understand, it is important we have them understand what we are publishing, got approval from SVG WG for both pubs :)
15:18:08 <fesch> rs: Deque is willing to write test cases
15:23:54 <AmeliaBR> Any issues with the new TR stylesheets should be reported on this GitHub repo: https://github.com/w3c/tr-design/issues
15:24:15 <fesch> Topic: how do get implementers to implement it
15:24:45 <fesch> abr: not sure whether we want implementations, but we want feedback from implementors
15:25:30 <fesch> ds: we need to decide when the right time to contact them is
15:26:08 <fesch> chaals: I don't think it is not ready yet,  good to contact folks and get them aware of it
15:26:50 <fesch> chaals: good to get SVG working group aware of what we are doing
15:27:40 <fesch> abr: at this point it is we just published it and after we work through issues
15:27:51 <fesch> rs: did you talk with them about text?
15:28:25 <fesch> abr: everyone understands when using shapes/path's for text
15:29:44 <fesch> abr: browsers hesitant to have ARIA change stuff
15:30:23 <fesch> rs: who was giving the most push back?
15:30:32 <fesch> abr: that was a few months ago
15:30:48 <fesch> chaals: usually Mozilla and Google concurs
15:31:07 <fesch> rs: information too important to not make use
15:32:05 <fesch> chaals: browser vendors hesitant to change architecture and we want them to change - and we do want them to change and not do a half a**ed job
15:32:41 <fesch> abr: so little native semantics, so this is really an opportunity
15:33:03 <fesch> abr: SVG WG already overwhelmed with other issues
15:33:36 <fesch> abr: folks on WG not the folks impacted by what we are suggesting
15:34:04 <fesch> abr: do we need anymore changes in Graphics Module?
15:34:07 <fesch> rs: no
15:34:32 <fesch> fesch: what is our next goal?
15:34:47 <fesch> rs: getting browser vendors onboard
15:35:16 <fesch> rs: we can certainly work on the graphics module, but that should be a quarter of our time
15:35:35 <fesch> abr: name computation... will be significant
15:37:26 <fesch> rs: more on name computation will come up
15:38:06 <fesch> fesch: I've heard two things on whether we should talk to browser vendors
15:38:23 <fesch> rs: i think we need get greater browser feedback
15:38:54 <fesch> chasals: Doug mentioned and I agreed that this isn't fully baked
15:39:05 <fesch> chaals: need examples
15:40:02 <fesch> chaals: need SVG 1.0 accessibility stuff implemented
15:40:41 <fesch> rs: safari doesn't work without voiceover on?
15:41:23 <fesch> fesch: what should we be doing until the end of the year?
15:41:40 <fesch> abr: lets start a thread on the list on what needs to be done next
15:41:56 <fesch> abr: one item is authoring guidance...
15:42:49 <fesch> chaals: examples and demonstrate what you can do with it
15:43:15 <fesch> fesch: taxonomy is still meager..\
15:43:34 <fesch> chaals: so what... we need clear examples of stuff
15:44:41 <fesch> fesch: we haven't gone into low vision and color blind support, should that be in examples
15:44:46 <fesch> chaals: yes
15:45:06 <fesch> abr: that affects authoring guidance
15:45:48 <fesch> ds: low vision and color blind is not SVG specific, lets focus on SVG specific
15:46:16 <fesch> abr: true can point to other docs in authoring guidance
15:47:37 <fesch> ds: if you are using a magnifier and looking at scatterplot - they might not be able to see the axes - that is SVG specific
15:48:17 <fesch> fesch: does every graphic must support the lowest common demonstrator?
15:48:42 <fesch> chaals: SVG may have all the tools to do it
15:49:08 <fesch> fesch: so what you are saying is color blind and low vision may be authoring guidance?
15:49:51 <fesch> ds: should not do this unless it is SVG specific, may conflict with other guidance
15:50:23 <fesch> chaals: but our examples should demonstrate that we can support
15:51:21 <fesch> abr: think about stuff over the next week and we can decide next week what our priorities are
15:52:07 <fesch> ds: Leone worried about moving on... we should get everyone to agree
15:52:16 <fesch> rs: have a lot of week to do...
15:53:31 <fesch> rrsagent make minutes
15:53:58 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-svg-a11y-minutes.html fesch
17:05:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #svg-a11y
18:15:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #svg-a11y
20:03:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #svg-a11y
20:09:03 <chaals> chaals has joined #svg-a11y
21:42:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #svg-a11y
22:15:46 <chaals> chaals has joined #svg-a11y