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16:03:59 <LJWatson> present+ LJWatson
16:04:05 <LJWatson> present+ Chaals
16:04:08 <LJWatson> present+ Janina
16:04:37 <chaals> Meeting: HTML accessibility TF
16:04:37 <chaals> chair: chaals
16:04:37 <chaals> agenda+ More for the agenda?
16:04:48 <chaals> zakim, close item 8
16:04:48 <Zakim> agendum 8, More for the agenda?, closed
16:04:49 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:49 <Zakim> 1. More for the agenda? [from chaals]
16:04:52 <chaals> agenda?
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16:10:15 <chaals> present+ judy, JF
16:11:11 <chaals> zakim, close item 1
16:11:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, More for the agenda?, closed
16:11:12 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:11:12 <Zakim> 2. accesskey http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html [from chaals]
16:11:18 <chaals> zakim, take up item 2
16:11:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "accesskey http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html" taken up [from chaals]
16:11:30 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
16:11:45 <LJWatson> CMN: Did some work on the accesskey spec.
16:11:48 <chaals> -> http://discourse.wicg.io/t/user-interaction-with-web-apps/1177 discussion of the proposal in WICG
16:11:53 <LJWatson> ... Pushed it to WICG.
16:12:08 <LJWatson> ... Immediate feedback was that I need to explain the background better.
16:12:31 <LJWatson> ... It prompted some other issues that I'm starting to file on Github.
16:13:10 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:13:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:13:15 <JF> Notes a big thanks to Leonie for posting her notes on Git / Githyb
16:13:49 <LJWatson> ... This doesn't follow the pattern of creating a JS API and letting developers mess around with it.
16:14:34 <LJWatson> ... I've also started to write some tests. Turns out HTML accesskey is almost entirely inimplemented that I can tell.
16:14:46 <LJWatson> ... The exception being Firefox.
16:14:57 <chaals> s/HTML/HTML5's improvements to/
16:15:22 <chaals> s/Firefox/firefox having a fragile but minimally useful accessKeyLabel implementation/
16:15:27 <chaals> zakim, close this agendum
16:15:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:15:28 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:15:28 <Zakim> 3. meeting at tpac [from chaals]
16:15:36 <janina> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02
16:15:41 <chaals> zakim, take up item 4
16:15:41 <Zakim> agendum 4. "panelsets https://github.com/bkardell/common-panel" taken up [from chaals]
16:16:44 <LJWatson> CMN: Léonie wrote an introduction article, was supposed to be published yesterday, but hasn't been yet.
16:16:48 <ShaneM> Present+ ShaneM
16:17:16 <LJWatson> LW: When the article is published it'll be posted to WICG with links to the draft spec.
16:17:44 <LJWatson> CMN: Would be helpful to know if people have difficulty with the WICG Discourse?
16:18:00 <LJWatson> ... Personal preference is that we push discussions there when possible.
16:18:25 <LJWatson> ... Has anyone looked at the panels/panelsets spec?
16:18:30 <LJWatson> JF: Sadly no.
16:18:36 <LJWatson> CMN: It's fairly short, please do.
16:18:45 <chaals> zakim, close this item
16:18:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:18:46 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:18:46 <Zakim> 3. meeting at tpac [from chaals]
16:19:01 <chaals> agenda?
16:19:10 <chaals> zakim, take up item 6
16:19:10 <Zakim> agendum 6. "input-modality" taken up [from chaals]
16:20:01 <LJWatson> CMN: Somewhere in WICG is a draft that in some parts overlaps the idea of user context that came out of IndieUI and is now in ARIA.
16:20:16 <LJWatson> ... A way of figuring out how people are interacting with controls.
16:20:32 <LJWatson> ... Worth keeping an eye on this, people are working on it and looking to build prollyfills etc.
16:21:22 <LJWatson> https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34
16:21:23 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to post pointer to the input-modality proposal
16:21:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Post pointer to the input-modality proposal [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-11-12].
16:21:34 <chaals> close action 340
16:21:41 <chaals> close action-340
16:21:41 <trackbot> Closed action-340.
16:22:02 <chaals> s|https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34|-> https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34 input modality proposal|
16:22:22 <chaals> zakim, take up item 5
16:22:22 <Zakim> agendum 5. "accessibility API" taken up [from chaals]
16:23:07 <LJWatson> CMN: Idea is to build an API that gives scripted access to the accessibility APIs.
16:23:22 <LJWatson> ... Worth looking at.
16:23:53 <LJWatson> ... There is a CG working on this.
16:23:55 <chaals> zakim, take up item 3
16:23:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "meeting at tpac" taken up [from chaals]
16:24:17 <LJWatson> CMN: Will post minutes. Everyone here was at TPAC.
16:24:30 <chaals> s|http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02||
16:24:32 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:24:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:24:39 <chaals> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02 minutes from TPAC session with PF
16:25:23 <LJWatson> CMN: For now we'll continue with this TF. The Web Platform WG is looking to do accessibility work to be done in the WG like other kinds of work.
16:25:44 <LJWatson> ... Recognise we need to co-ordinate with APA. Web Platform will be proactive about doing that.
16:26:13 <LJWatson> ... People find different modes and tools harder or more comfortable. We'll work to make it as easy as possible.
16:26:22 <LJWatson> JS: Good summary.
16:26:37 <chaals> zakim, close this item
16:26:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:26:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:38 <Zakim> 5. accessibility API [from chaals]
16:26:42 <chaals> zakim, close item 5
16:26:42 <Zakim> agendum 5, accessibility API, closed
16:26:43 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:43 <Zakim> 6. input-modality [from chaals]
16:26:48 <chaals> zakim, close item 6
16:26:48 <Zakim> agendum 6, input-modality, closed
16:26:49 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:26:49 <Zakim> 7. work list and wish list https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Wishlist_for_HTML5.1 [from chaals]
16:27:25 <LJWatson> CMN: We have things we wanted to work on, some of which are in progress, some of which we haven't taken up - sometimes because we don't have the cycles.
16:27:43 <LJWatson> ... Anyone have time/inclination to take anything on?
16:28:37 <ShaneM> I continue to feel like footnotes are important.  It isn't really an A11Y issue exclusively.  But there havent been any good proposals
16:28:38 <JF> Q+
16:28:48 <chaals> ack jf
16:28:52 <LJWatson> CMN: Agree.
16:29:06 <LJWatson> JF: David MacDonald has done some work on footnotes I believe.
16:29:16 <LJWatson> ... Can reach out to him to get the info.
16:29:25 <LJWatson> SM: I co-ordinated with David, so I have it somewhere.
16:29:32 <chaals> ACTION: ShaneM to update us on the status of footnotes
16:29:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Update us on the status of footnotes [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-11-12].
16:29:36 <LJWatson> ... It isn't a fully hashed out proposal.
16:30:31 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:30:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:30:46 <chaals> [adjourned]
16:31:57 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:34:40 <LJWatson> rrsagent, please part
16:34:40 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-actions.rdf :
16:34:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chaals to post pointer to the input-modality proposal [1]
16:34:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-irc#T16-21-23
16:34:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to update us on the status of footnotes [2]
16:34:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-irc#T16-29-32