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<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2015
<allanj> "User Stories" morphed into succinct "User issues"/"User experience problems"
<shawn> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2015
<allanj> "User Stories" morphed into succinct "User issues"/"User experience problems"
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<allanj> close item 1
<AWK> +AWK
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<AWK> Discussing this page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/User_stories_-_use_cases
Jim did clean up on the user stories use cases page
Jim encourages others to clean up, add to, and generally improve the use cases
Allan also did some additions
Bruce notes that the use cases are looking better
<Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to ask about UC cites
take up next item
<Wayne> wayne+
<allanj> close item 2
<allanj> ontology http://nosetothepage.org/WCAG/LVEffects_files/Dictionary.html
Wayne: Created
ontology/dictionary page located at
http://nosetothepage.org/WCAG/LVEffects_files/Dictionary.html
... symptoms fall into two categories
... our use cases will turn into our lists (of requirements? of
tasks?)
John: preference is not to focus
not on medical model of low vision, but rather on the
functional barriers.
... the problem isn't the condition, but that the content isn't
adaptable
<shawn> + 1 to content & tools is the problem, not the user
Wayne: general agreement
Jon: Preference to ensure our wiki and notes reflect the functional barriers
<allanj> +1 user is not the problem
<shawn> +1 to medical model OK in wiki for data analysis but not in final docs
<jon_avila> great
Andrew: Our intent is to have an
appendix that references medical terminology to help with
mapping
... Not to focus on the medical diagnoses
<jon_avila> thanks
<jon_avila> Yes, the info is very good.
Laura: the appendix and mapping can be very useful
jim: thanks wayne for his work and encourages others to contribute to it.
close item 3
Shawn: Thinks ChuckOp is best scribe evah!
Jim: Shawn did amazing work on Low Vision requirements and would like to discuss that now
take up item 5
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Low_Vision_User_Requirements
Shawn: What if we started
presenting actual user requirements? Went through use cases and
started translating them into requirements with categories,
with handles and notes.
... First pass, not polished, use as a starting point
Jim: Was reading the
requirements, calls it an amazing amount of work.
... We can edit and add to the requirements since it is in a
wiki
Shawn: Notes difficulty of editing and using wiki markup
<jon_avila> Yes, great stuff!
<laura> Excellent work, Shawn.
<jon_avila> I wonder if it would help to mark some of these as scoped to authored content or user agent
Jim: Shawn, how did you come up with categories?
<allanj> Shawn's TAdER work - http://www.tader.info/index.html
<allanj> (Text Adaptability is Essential for Reading)
Shawn: I added some categories
based on information in the use cases and user stories.
Wondered about organizing according to the high level overview,
might need sub-categories.
... Categories are a bucketing system, Handle is a one-word
(ideally) title.
<allanj> I prefer table
Shawn: What's better; tables or paragraphs?
Jim: I like the table
Discussion between Jim and Shawn regarding wording of "user can..."
<allanj> looking at "Related information is in close proximity. " or "user can choose to have related information in close proximity to viewport"
<allanj> content developer vs browser developer
Wayne: We have reps from WAI UA and GL groups. We need to separate
Jon: Some of these can be both. Content zooming for example.
Shawn: Good point
Thanks Allan
<allanj> shawn: Say what users need...then say what content folks can do, and what browser folks can do
<allanj> what the content authors or browsers do are solutions to user needs
<allanj> + 1 Focus: User needs!!
Shawn: Eventually we need to do
the breakout that Jim references, but not to do it too early.
Focus on getting the first draft out first (of user
requirements)
... The work that everyone did (Jim, et al) on use cases really
helped in drafting requirements.
<allanj> it takes a working group...
<Bruce_Bailey> Shawn asking about " Icon fonts that when combined with custom fonts are browser/AT combinations like ZoomText and Firefox change to squares and are unrecognizable."
<Bruce_Bailey> Bruce asked about "WingDings" but Andrew says situation can be more complex than that.
Jon: discussion of symbol fonts and availability of fonts when working with low vision tools
<AWK> Of interest for icon fonts: https://www.filamentgroup.com/lab/bulletproof_icon_fonts.html
Jon: ARIA labels can be used to provide textual context to symbols
?: Not easily accessible to keyboard users
<Bruce_Bailey> Bruce thanks Andrew for the example. Here is one that might be related: https://css-tricks.com/examples/IconFont/
Jim: How would names/description be made available for symbol-based characters
Andrew: Other user groups can benefit from icon-based fonts
<allanj> wayne: high contrast icon font available?
Shawn: One of the issues: if we mess up and overlap editing can be problematic.
Jim: Should we do editing over the mailing list and send issues to Shawn for editing?
Shawn: Is okay with being the primary editor for the time being.
Jim: Send issues and discussion
to the mailing list, and Shawn will incorporate into the user
requirements page
... Really excited and thanks Shawn
<laura> Thanks everyone.
<shawn> good team work, folks!
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