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<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015
<kerry> scribe: bart
<kerry> scribenick: bart
<kerry> scribenick bartvanleeuwen
<BartvanLeeuwen> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
<Linda> +1
<jtandy> +1
<LarsG> +1
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<frans> +1
<Payam> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
<kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC
<frans> couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action for Kerry?
<BartvanLeeuwen> New time for meetings after TPAC!
<jtandy> think it was 8pm UTC
<Linda> go ahead
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves for 3 different task
<kerry> ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].
<BartvanLeeuwen> 1) issue management, managing topic chats and keep people on topic, Payam will take that task
<Payam> sure
<BartvanLeeuwen> Another thing Payam will chase people down for evidence of BPs
<BartvanLeeuwen> 2) analysis byt jtandy of what needs to be done
<BartvanLeeuwen> 3) Main writer of the document will be Linda
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: instead of having discussions on email / wiki we try to write our documents as we go, so that you can see your changes happening
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: approach based on Payam experience with a previous group
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the repository
<Payam> Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice
<Payam> DRAFT Table of Contents
<Payam> 1. Introduction
<Payam> i. General intro
<Payam> ii. Difference between spatial data on the web and current SDI practice
<Payam> iii. Principles https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
<Payam> 2. Conformance
<Payam> 3. Audience
<Payam> i. Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known Developers?)
<Payam> ii. Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the Large Set of Unknown Developers
<Payam> iii. Content publishers
<Payam> 4. Scope
<Payam> 5. Best Practices Template
<Payam> i. Best Practice Requirements
<Payam> 6. Best Practices Summary
<Payam> 7. The Best Practices
<Payam> i. Linking Data
<Payam> ii. Publishing data with clear semantics
<Payam> iii. Exposing datasets through APIs
<Payam> iv. Enabling discovery
<Payam> v. Assigning identifiers to real world things and information resources
<Payam> vi. Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings
<Payam> A. (geo)spatial information
<Payam> B. temporal information
<Payam> C. sensor data
<Payam> vii. Dealing with large datasets
<Payam> viii. Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope - LvdB)
<Payam> 8. Conclusions
<Payam> 9. Glossary
<BartvanLeeuwen> Linda: document only availble as word
<Payam> 10. Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices
<Payam> A. Acknowledgements
<Payam> B. References
<Payam> i. Normative references
<Payam> it's a bit messy- sorry about that
<Payam> I copied/pasted from a word file
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: this is not a final document structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill out
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: some might go out during the process
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in place before the Sapporo F2F
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will start writing on the BP during the F2F, that is the main focus of the meeting.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the content, there will be an editor's draft by the end of the afternoon
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the structure is the same structure as the DWBP document
<Linda> Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: explains the structure of the document, general w3c parts
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we write this for
<kerry> +1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web knowledge?
<kerry> +1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope
<Payam> +q
<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: this is supposed to be a BP document, and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will the evidence be included
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: one of the points we need to include in the description of the best practices is examples
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: and we need to have be able to point to those examples.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be adaption required to make it work
<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if we have content in the document, we will be asking for examples and links to descriptions
<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if you point to examples and best practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links, they might not be persistent
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct the evidence ourselves
<Payam> +1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for testbed for these best practices
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be a gap, things that should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull to include them, we have to be careful to not put in theories.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: maybe we need a note for 'emerging practices'
<ahaller2> +1 emerging practises
<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'
<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are trying to continue the discussion from last weeks call
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: the people in sapporo will be working on that document
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will be keeping github up to date
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC, but not minute to minute like today
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex, IRC is the best way to get to us
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up session
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we are expecting a few people to come along to talk to us from other groups
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG , Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed up
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who want to show up
<Linda> bad timing Jeremy
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.
<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: our focus will be on gathering content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as long as it is public
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'
<jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html
<jtandy> JSON a link poor format
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best practices
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: what types of interactions we have on a resource
<frans> +1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API
<kerry> bart says the new linked data platform working grop will be attacking this
<BartvanLeeuwen> hydra: http://www.hydra-cg.com/
<kerry> ... and bart says we should point to that instead of inventing here
<kerry> ... bart says the linked data platform mailing list discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to anything directly
<kerry> ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-10-28].
<kerry> bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction but to leave to others
<jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html
<jtandy> Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?
<joshli> departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta
<kerry> agreed -- i was surprised to see the variation in interpretation of "feature"
<frans> I agree with Kerry
<Payam> I have to leave. thank you all.
<BartvanLeeuwen> yup
<kerry> rrsagent make logs public
<frans> Have a good day or night!
<Linda> ok thanks bye
<Alejandro_Llaves> Thanks, bye!
<kerry> rrsagent draft minutes
<MattPerry> bye
<kerry> rrsagentdraft minutes