IRC log of wot-di on 2015-10-08

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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 October 2015
12:53:38 [Soumya]
Present+ Soumya
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Chair: Soumya
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13:03:10 [Yingying]
present+ Yingying
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present+ arne, dape
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scribenick arne
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Soumya presents today's agenda
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any coments on TF-DI report?
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none
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TPAC planning:
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Which breakout sessions?
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1. provisioning
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2. evaluation of tech landscape
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3. security
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Recap of discovery interaction patterns (Soumya goes through the according GitHub page)
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Soumya show the new Wiki page on evaluation criteria:
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https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Tech_Landscape_Evaluation
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Soumya looks at evaluation of "Finding things around me"
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Soumya goes through the different evaluation criteria for category 1
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Louay comments: there is difference between UriBeacon and iBeacon
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UriBeacon can advertise URL
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iBeacon can only advertise UUID
13:18:49 [arne]
Soumya: we will update the Wiki table
13:22:44 [arne]
arne's comment: security and privacy is not yet included as evaluation criterium
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arne: shall we include it or not?
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arne's comment: we need more detailed description of evaluation criteria
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Soumya agrees
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Soumya moves on to evaluation of category 2 (Finding things on my network)
13:27:47 [arne]
Soumya: 'Sleeping Time Support' might not be relevant as a criterium
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arne: yes could be right... sleeping time support is dependent on implementation on top of protocol
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Soumya: 'Range' is also irrelevant in this category
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Soumya: are there volunteers to describe those technologies?
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Louay agrees to describe SSDP
13:32:26 [arne]
Ari: what do you mean with 'richness of query' and how do you answer this for mDNS?
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Ari: you could have a richer query mechanism on top of mDNS
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Ari: what do you mean with "manual entry of keywords"?
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Louay: mDNS cannot do it on it's own
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Louay: DNS-SD might help to allow for such search keywords
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Soumya moves on to the next category
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Category 2 "Searching in Directories"
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Soumya: Core RD does support Higher Layer Discovery
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Arne + Ari: unsure about semantics of "higher layer discovery" and "richness of results"
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Soumya: is there anyone familar with the XMPP IoT Discovery?
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Soumya moves on to Category 4 "Searching across Peers"
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Soumya moves on to Category 5 "Accessing Thing Metadata"
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Arne: is bootstrapping relevant for Category 5?
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Soumya: agrees, might not be relevant here
13:50:59 [arne]
Soumya suggests to consider only relevant evaluation criteria for each category
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Ari: yes that's good
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Soumya starts discussion on "Provisioning"
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Soumya introduces Eclipse project HawkBit
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project concerned with provisioning part of different devices
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Soumya goes through website: https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/hawkbit
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Soumya will contact the project leads
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and ask for presentation of HawkBit
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Soumya starts discussion on "Wot WG work items"
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1.) Uniform and Technology Independent Discovery Mechanism
14:00:35 [arne]
Joerg: when you read the description, it is not clear why you call it "Uniform and Technology Independent Discovery Mechanism"
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Joerg: it should be more about 'how you utilize existing technologies'
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Joerg: should be an interface of how to interact with existing discovery technologies
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2.) WoT Security and Security-Enabling APIs
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sorry: 2.) Authorization for Things Discovery
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Joerg: in the previous case we are confident that we have technology available... in this case it may be a risk whether we are actually able to use something that has solved this issue
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Soumya: AOB ?
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Ari: what is the difference between "higher layer discovery" and "richness of query"?
14:11:10 [arne]
Soumya: higher layer is explicit query where richness of query the context is explicitly provided .... he will provide more details on this in written form...
14:18:21 [arne]
Ari: suggests to add a link to the specification in the table
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Soumya closes the meeting.
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/08-wot-di-minutes.html Soumya
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