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<trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015
<AWK> having trouble with webex
<AWK> are others able to join?
<shawn> see new webex link in topic. I'll send e-mail, too
<laura> It tells me: “The meeting has been canceled”
<laura> Thanks, Shawn.
<MichaelC> +MichaelC
+Srini
My WebEX is being loaded
<AWK> +AWK
<AWK> +erich_manser
are you guys on WebEx already? I clicked on new link sent by Shawn and it's still loading
<jallan> +Jim
<Wayne> hi I am unable to call in
<Wayne> wayne+
<AWK> Scribe: Srini
AWK: reminding everyone about rejoining W3C and groups. There will be a reminder email
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/35422/join
<AWK> People have about 30 days to do this
AWK: There is a change in new charter and everyone need to be new member of WCAG
<AWK> but don't delay as if you miss the deadline there will be a long delay
there is a 30 days grace period
<scribe> New WebEX link
<shawn> +1 to doing survey and not regrets e-mails
AWK: people are expected to indicate that they can't make it there
<scribe> New link for Web Ex: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0f8b8d573d2ca3842cf1f2d9cb3dbdf
<shawn> "Please put your best guess for now. You can update this survey/questionnaire at any time."
Shawn: you can change / update your coments any time Re: survey
Wayne: manage to get in! Srini: Welcome
<shawn> survey results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/overview/results
<jallan> Overview wiki page https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Overview_of_Low_Vision
We did some edits in survey page to let people give feedback.
We didn't get it to it.
AWK, : there are 4 responses
<laura> Results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/overview/results
Jim: Well
... reviewed and refreshed page. he still see it blank
... andrew, can you please check?
... click on questions and get nothing
AWK: trying
... size limitations, field blocks etc. for topics
field loss, illumination, color, blow
Laura suggesting figure out way color and contrast
Jim: color is part of
illumunation
... color blind and fall under contrast
AWK: asking Laura to talk about clarity
Wayne: Katie is not on IRC too
AWK: we should follow up with Katie on what is clarity
Wayne: SBVI has soem great
details, numerious ones that he has put together under
distration.
... cool thing for low vision.
... very significant info about loss in detail
AWK: loss in detail, is it a limitation?
Wayne: it's ground problem
... when noise page, people with low vision don't see
anything.
... if you have busy back ground, it's trouble reading
... it confuses low vision for low vision.
it's about background of pages
Srini: lots of people put background images and text with poor color contrast
AWK: close to audio contrast
<jallan> s/visiion/vision
Wayne: it's about visual simplicity
AWK: question is user limitation
for users is visual simplicity? where would it fall in our
categories?
... there isn't need to be independent, they should provide as
subset of common characteristics
... size limitations, physical field block, these sorts of
problems.
Wayne: Color and contrast can go into illumination. users may have brightness problem, color problem
AWK: we have illumination and color, are you suggesting together or seperate?
Wayne: seperate and we can drop
in contrast
... there is a great demand for high contrast. they get
tired
Jim: you were saying make it color and move contrast as seperate line
Wayne: thinks contrast is not a seperate line
<shawn> luminosity contrast ratio
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say not "color contrast"
<shawn> (This accessibility requirement is sometimes called sufficient "color contrast"; however, that is incorrect — technically it's "luminance contrast". On this page we use "contrast ratio" as short for "luminance contrast ratio" because it's less jargony.)
Srini: says contrast use is required as that's a common problem
AWK;: Shawn is in Que
Shawn: use word as color conrast is not correct
Luminocity contrast
<shawn> s/it's less jargony.)/it's less jargony.) from <http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/preliminary.html#contrast>
AWK: let's use illumination and contrast
Wayne: Illumination is a
function. you need certain amount of contrast. some times too
much is bad
... color does a bunch of things
... Color has to be seperate thing. help people with color
blindness
AWK: Okay
<laura> +1
Shawn: Yes yes
AWK: Laura indicates +1
<jallan> +1
Eric: I admitted my comments in
survey.
... agrees. illumination
AWK: cool
Jim: is there a summary?
size, field bloss, illumination and contrast, seperate one for color
Wayne: noise is such a problem
clarity is important.
Wayne: when we say field loss, Jim introduced compolication, field of physical and environement.what are we talking about?
AWK: related to field loss
one?
... didn't put in survey yet
... field loss is a result only env of field loss. in this,
it's physical loss of users ability ability to persue
Eric: in my comments I still have issue with that.
Katie: what is the technical term?
spectomma
<jallan> just added islands - technical term is Scotoma
Wayne: really blurry minus plus
centre distributed all over
... unlike retina, big spot.
... trying to stay plain language
AWK: we are talking about
connection to medical diagnosis. would be using fictual
terms.
... lot of new words people would be learning
Wayne: working on a how people
functionally see. hwo it effects web interaction. try and get
this into ampology.
... is everyone OK?
Katie: good news
AWK: we are not overlooking how
does WCAG looking at color blindness. technical
... this relates shawn, it's about contrast and not color
... we need to make sure we are clear about
Erich: I agree
AWK: Eric, are you talking about size limitations
Eric: we already discussed abou
tit. about editors. q: survey, do we need to have any
examples
... that would have value
... soome one needs msaller text
... smaller would be better for someone. further spacing. I
think answer to editors; having specific examples would be
helpful
AWK: alright
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say smaller
Shawn: person with good visual acuity but tunnel vision needs smaller text
Jim: wayne has ... has the
same
... if something is too big, trouble to read
<Ryladog> As a way to distinguish COLOR issues, for what we will talk about in LV Extension. 1. Color related to accessibility problems for colorblindness. And separately, Color related to accessibility problems for Low Vision
Wayne: different size of headings would be helpful. Eric ?
Eric: curious aabout someones
field is narrow.
... with magnification easier + text wrapping.
... Additional thoughts: illumination, meaning his personal
experience.
... his own condition, find balance. need light
... for fuunctional too much light makes uncomfortable
... inappropriate use case may be, but if user needs light,
suddenly it becomes painful
Katie: it's that's what we need
to talk about
... bright medium and dark
AwK: capture use cases, perfect examples we should include
<Ryladog> We should try to work towards user-settable illumination levels
AWK: high degree of availability
of users, ratio is x everyone is good. we know someone find
r.2:1 is not enough
... absolutely. helpful for wiki
<jallan> +1
Eric: largely conversation about
a11y complaince matter; shifting to useful for everyone
... may be 50 old year people says I can't read my phone
... aging poplation struggles and we need to think about
AWK: question we are trying to
figure out is it that a seperate category or whatever?
... we have 4 categores, asking Katie about clarity
Katie: I don't reallly know.
everyone has their own way; not sure.
... not sure how to achieve it. how we can articulate it.
thinking o it as addressing needs
... talking about visual clarity and that would be about
content clarity as well
... high resolution, etc., in her mind
Laura: I was thinking of clarity as the opposite of blur.
Katie: yes, clear fonts, in general whatever needs to be done to clarity. that may not be right word
AWK: we have centre response
better than side, response something like that is
clarity.
... that may fall under illumination and contrast.
Katie: that makes sense
... still see needs to be addressed.
... don't know just blow up the size, would not address
clarity.
... any functional stuff. if doesn't something else
AWK: right
... clarity is the ultimate thing that user want
... if it's not clear, you can't use information. use special
font, bump up and gets tired
elimination adn contrast, color, clarify, field loss, functional limitations
Wayne: is there any couple of use cases?
Jim: I may
<shawn> [have to drop - sorry]
Katie: that's an opportunity; let's do it
<laura> So to summarize I'm gathering: 1. size limitations (acuity) 2. field loss 3. illumination/contrast 4. color
<laura> 5. clarity. Plus outcome: fatigue
<laura> bye
Thanks everyone.
Trackbot end meeting
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