12:48:44 RRSAgent has joined #coga 12:48:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc 12:49:46 agenda: this 12:49:47 agenda+ review actions, and timelines 12:49:49 agenda+ personlization questions with Rich's changes 12:49:50 agenda+ Issue papers - GA 12:49:52 agenda+ Techniques - GA 12:49:53 agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers 12:49:55 agenda+ be done 12:54:26 Chaohai_Ding has joined #coga 12:58:22 action: mary jo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? 12:58:27 Error finding 'mary'. You can review and register nicknames at . 12:58:53 action: Mary Jo Mueller to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? 12:58:53 Error finding 'Mary'. You can review and register nicknames at . 12:59:12 action: MaryJo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? 12:59:12 Created ACTION-137 - Add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [on Mary Jo Mueller - due 2015-10-09]. 12:59:40 chaals has joined #coga 13:00:39 action: EA to add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable 13:00:39 Created ACTION-138 - Add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable [on E.A. Draffan - due 2015-10-09]. 13:01:01 EA has joined #coga 13:01:04 (action were not put in correctly last week 13:02:08 ddahl has joined #coga 13:08:29 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151026&p1=248&p2=110&p3=136&p4=43 13:09:34 scribe: ddahl 13:09:54 chair:Lisa_Seeman 13:10:08 next item 13:10:09 topic: actions 13:10:43 lisa: voice issues 13:11:16 ...we can address that with the people on the call 13:11:23 ...also the semantics for ARIA 13:12:14 action-109? 13:12:14 action-109 -- Deborah Dahl to to review and gap annalise on voice ml -- due 2015-06-15 -- OPEN 13:12:14 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/109 13:12:17 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Oct/0003.html 13:12:50 debbie: I think I addressed that in the html in my email 13:12:55 ayelet_seeman has joined #coga 13:13:01 lisa: we can give it 20 minutes 13:13:52 action-124? 13:13:52 action-124 -- Deborah Dahl to Summarize relivent existing standards and best practices for voice -- due 2015-08-03 -- OPEN 13:13:52 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/124 13:14:07 debbie: I think we can just refer to some of the main literature for that 13:14:37 ...my html document addresses that 13:14:55 ...this replaces the issue paper 13:15:43 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 13:16:03 ...we have ETSI standard and the AVIXD wiki 13:16:21 ...the ETSI one won't change 13:17:22 scribe: Lisa_Seeman 13:17:43 debbie: some stuctural issues such as voice and menu sysemt overlap 13:19:21 excutive function will effect the planning - when t act and when to press 13:19:25 when to wight 13:19:30 weight 13:19:53 EA: 13:20:17 delay is an issue 13:20:52 they do not hear imediate feedback and then repress key 13:21:56 action: ddahl to add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems 13:21:56 Created ACTION-139 - Add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems [on Deborah Dahl - due 2015-10-09]. 13:22:21 debbie: will eveyone relise how to treat an automated system 13:22:57 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 13:23:08 lisa: any extra infomation is ad practice 13:24:01 lisa: are there anything that we identified that were not in the best practices 13:24:03 ? 13:24:38 Mike_Pluke has joined #coga 13:25:30 ddahl: they are included, and also the need to not teach anyone a new language beyond getting to an operater 13:27:47 a need to call out where issues need more attention 13:29:28 action: lisa to add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge 13:29:28 Created ACTION-140 - Add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-10-09]. 13:30:39 ddhal: viual ivr is a helpful technology 13:31:10 q? 13:31:53 EA: have prepered sentences before you call 13:33:24 but personal is at a high level 13:34:21 timed out is a huge issue 13:35:49 present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger 13:35:56 although security needs to be adressed 13:36:26 scribe: ddahl 13:36:39 present+ Ayelet_Seeman 13:37:02 topic: ambiguity in adaptable syntax in ARIA for links and buttons 13:38:40 lisa: why wasn't personalization working on "contact us" button? it turned out that it was a link 13:39:16 ...three ways to resolve, (1) if you put "contact us", it has to be on a link 13:39:51 ...that made me nervous; there are lots of things that can go wrong if people do it wrong 13:39:56 I think it was the "contact us" box 13:41:38 ...(2) we divide aria-function into aria-destination and @@ people would be less likely to do the wrong thing 13:41:48 q+ 13:42:38 lisa: so you could reuse the same content with different functions 13:43:03 ...rich said that this would explode into a million taxonomies, so this was rejected 13:44:08 ....(3) there's a different syntax for different fields. I thought it would make the aria names quite long 13:44:43 q? 13:45:03 aria-funtion=destionation-homepage 13:45:32 aria-function=feild-home 13:46:00 rich: a problem is that you can have some of these things inside of a grid 13:46:19 ....I'm concerned about using the word "field" 13:46:38 ...you're trying to say it's like a parameter 13:47:10 lisa:asks what ontology are you in -- 13:47:15 q? 13:47:15 ...which approach do we like 13:47:29 ac r 13:47:36 q? 13:47:42 ack r 13:47:51 rich: we're dealing with some of this in the digital publishing, e.g.e "biblio-ref" that takes you to the bibliography 13:48:10 ...maybe you need to say that something is intended for a destination 13:49:04 rich: would like "aria-destination" and expand on the semantics 13:49:21 ...this is going to take some thought 13:49:37 ...if you have an attribute in the taxonomy that's more intuitive for authors 13:50:01 ...also have to think about where you limit functions to? 13:50:35 q? 13:50:38 lisa: aria-function should be split into aria-destination, etc. 13:51:04 ...is that what you're saying 13:51:10 rich: yes 13:51:48 ayelet: it concerns me when people try to have multiple things for the same element 13:52:54 ...people might put multiple attributes on the same element and it will be treated incorrectly 13:53:25 lisa: this will never be foolproof 13:53:30 https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html 13:53:48 https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#dpub-biblioref 13:54:07 rich: this is a link that's going to a bibliography reference 13:54:18 ...you'd like to know that this is the destination 13:54:55 ...this is better than having a whole collection of roles 13:55:07 13:55:59 rich: this is an alternate way, you're getting role creep 13:56:17 developers might think they need to insert multiple aria-functions simultaneously, causing it to be implemented incorrectly 13:56:28 lisa: chaohai, which proposal do you feel is best? 13:57:27 ....ayelet, you're saying that destination=homepage would be best? 13:57:48 ayelet: you have more experience than me with the mistakes developers make 13:58:28 lisa: this could be handled with tooling 13:59:15 ...but not with option 1 -- tooling could help with option 2 or option 3 14:00:54 ayelet: the concern is that they would put multiple attributes in the same element 14:01:07 Sorry for the connection issues, the audio is just coming back. 14:02:18 lisa: we can't think of something that can be more than one thing at the same time 14:02:19 Aria-action 14:02:21 Aria-destination 14:02:22 Aria-field 14:02:24 And role (aria-region ) 14:03:17 scribe: Lisa_Seeman 14:03:24 chaals has joined #coga 14:03:29 can we vote 14:03:44 Option 2 but not sure about aria-field 14:03:49 lisa voats option 1 14:03:56 lisa voats option 2 14:04:00 chaohai vote option 2 14:04:10 vote option 3 14:04:10 ayelet votes 3 14:04:31 rich votes option 2 14:05:12 option 2 14:05:20 I need to drop off, sorry 14:05:39 resolved: option 2 14:06:01 ddahl has left #coga 14:06:35 ea and mike are unsure 14:06:38 abstain 14:08:20 tuesday will be the tpac call 14:08:55 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151026&p1=248&p2=110&p3=136&p4=43 14:08:57 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/ARIA 14:13:37 rrsagent, make logs public 14:13:51 rrsagent, create minutes 14:13:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 14:13:59 zakim, please part 14:13:59 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Ayelet_Seeman 14:13:59 Zakim has left #coga 14:14:06 rrsagent, please part 14:14:06 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-actions.rdf : 14:14:06 ACTION: mary jo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [1] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T12-58-22 14:14:06 ACTION: Mary Jo Mueller to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [2] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T12-58-53 14:14:06 ACTION: MaryJo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [3] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T12-59-12 14:14:06 ACTION: EA to add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable [4] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T13-00-39 14:14:06 ACTION: ddahl to add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems [5] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T13-21-56 14:14:06 ACTION: lisa to add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge [6] 14:14:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-irc#T13-29-28