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15:58:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:58:06 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:58:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:58:07 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2015
15:58:42 <janina> agenda?
15:58:52 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:58:54 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:58:58 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:58:58 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:58:58 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:58:58 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:58:59 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:59:00 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:59:03 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:59:05 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:59:08 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:59:10 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:59:13 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:59:55 <janina>  present+ janina
16:00:06 <janina> zakim, next item
16:00:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:00:20 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
16:00:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:01:29 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:02:51 <fesch> present+ fesch
16:07:12 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:08:10 <fesch> cs: is going to TPAC and bringing family
16:08:47 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:08:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:09:49 <janina> regrets: shane, gottfried
16:10:48 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Sep/0149.html
16:12:31 <fesch> mc: we should report comments d and e as a group
16:12:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:13:04 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Sep/0149.html
16:13:10 <fesch> js: anyone to object sending d & e?
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16:16:52 <fesch> RESOLUTION: MC to send comments d & e for PF
16:17:36 <MichaelC> close action-1654
16:17:36 <trackbot> Closed action-1654.
16:17:45 <MichaelC> action-1654: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Sep/0228.html
16:17:45 <trackbot> Notes added to action-1654 Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/.
16:19:08 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:19:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:19:38 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-round-display-1/ CSS Round Display Level 1
16:23:15 <MichaelC> action: Fred to review CSS Round Display FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/css-round-display-1/
16:23:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1728 - Review css round display fpwd http://www.w3.org/tr/css-round-display-1/ [on Fred Esch - due 2015-09-30].
16:23:37 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/ CSS Text Module Level 4
16:25:39 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-ui-4/ CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 4
16:28:36 <fesch> mc: appendix B!
16:30:03 <fesch> mc: basic user interface module has Appendix B changes, Text Module does not
16:31:21 <fesch> mc: user interface has only 4 new features, should we wait for more maturity/changes?
16:32:40 <fesch> RESOLUTION: mc to send note asking for appendix B on Text Module
16:32:45 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:32:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:33:49 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:33:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:35:47 <fesch> mc: making adjustments to charters, to address comments, mc Rich and Janina has a few more things to review, maybe have draft charters for review...
16:36:34 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:36:34 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:36:44 <MichaelC> s/2013/2015/
16:38:37 <fesch> mc: forwarded to list note about hotels
16:39:03 <fesch> mc: anyone planning to go that does not have their travel done?
16:39:15 <fesch> mk: Matt King hasn't done it yet
16:44:01 <fesch> discussion on who is going for ARIA
16:44:47 <fesch> mk: do we know what we are doing for PF?
16:45:04 <fesch> js: I want to discuss this...,
16:45:16 <fesch> rs: when is web components meet?
16:45:26 <fesch> js: Monday and Tuesday
16:45:42 <fesch> rs: who do we coordinate with?
16:45:51 <fesch> js: not sure what is set up yet?
16:46:34 <fesch> rs: hard to address comments when there is no other group on the other end...
16:47:38 <fesch> js: want to bring this up in the task force call tomorrow
16:48:14 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA
16:48:20 <fesch> js: two wiki pages where the issues are laid out...
16:49:46 <fesch> rs: started working on dpub mapping guide, joanie going through list for linux
16:50:19 <fesch> rs: can have a discussion on that...
16:50:59 <fesch> rs: need to see if we get details and summary, if so maybe not need describedat...
16:52:25 <fesch> js: if we get details and summary may see londesc deprecated
16:52:41 <fesch> js: looking at the APA list any other concerns?
16:53:02 <fesch> mk: anyway to know whether CSS will happen on Thursday?
16:53:08 <fesch> js: not this week
16:54:42 <fesch> mc: we need to figure what we want to talk about -user context stuff... may be enough to have a list of topics, discuss ahead of time..., questions issues
16:55:01 <fesch> mc: nav order, read order is a big thing for us...
16:55:36 <fesch> mc: we need to do our homework beforehand
16:56:31 <fesch> mk: reading order
16:56:55 <fesch> rs: really important APA meets with CSS....
16:57:33 <fesch> discussion on navigation and read order...
16:58:59 <fesch> rs: WCAG requires you to have a meaningful sequence, and flexbox doesn't do that,
16:59:24 <fesch> mc: either we come up with a solution or get a basis for a formal objection
16:59:35 <fesch> rs: I have been there before with canvas...
17:00:25 <fesch> mk: I suggest face-to-face time to discuss when the read order does not give you a meaningful sequence...
17:00:29 <jamesn> +1 to that
17:00:35 <fesch> mk: may need a couple of hours
17:00:54 <fesch> mc: we should consider doing that before TPAC
17:01:10 <fesch> mc: can we do an extra teleconference?
17:01:23 <fesch> rs: suggest Bo Campbell be included...
17:01:38 <fesch> mc: better to prep before TPAC
17:01:58 <fesch> mk: some situations, hard to do over the phone
17:02:26 <joanie> q+ to ask about Wednesday
17:02:28 <fesch> js: we could do that on Thursday...
17:03:15 <fesch> rs: want any time on Monday-Tuesday for authoring practices?
17:03:31 <fesch> jn: not if we are the only two there...
17:03:55 <joanie> q-
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18:46:26 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: PF Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 30 September at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439 Passwd pfwg
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